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 Posted:   Feb 12, 2016 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

What do you think of the concept of film score albums including material that is unrelated to the score but used to effectively portray a visual aspect of the film?

This approach may have been more effective in the pre-VHS/DVD era, when soundtrack albums were intended to serve more as an audio memento of the film itself. (The inclusion of dialog would be another example.)

One example:

Henry Mancini writing a tune to portray the dreaded Mickey Rooney Asian stereotype in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" and including it on the LP. (This music was not in the film.)

One of the most effective examples of this I have encountered is the Eugene Ormandy album of music from 2001 on Columbia (sadly not on CD). The album includes the film's iconic classical pieces, which are segued by electronic interludes composed by Morton Subotnik.

Even though there is no electronic music in the film of 2001, the presence of electronics on the album effectively portrays the visuals of the ship, the trippier segments, the Hal character, and the vastness of space itself. No other presentation of the 2001 music is as effective to me as this one.

How rare or common was this practice, and what do you think of it either in practice or in theory?

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2016 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Oops...sorry, you were asking for something dfferent.

We now return to "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite..."

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2016 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   soundtrackmusic   (Member)

Essentially, that's "music inspired by the movie ...", right? Yours is one hell of an oblique headline. wink

Typically, I try to avoid those like the plague.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2016 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Essentially, that's "music inspired by the movie ...", right?

No, I would say it is a separate category, or at least a sub-category. "Inspired-by" albums typically reinforce the film's main themes. What I'm talking about is the inclusion of a key track or two, alongside the film score, that is used to portray a specific visual aspect or character, for which there is no corresponding music.

I think I have only one "inspired-by" album and it is not the same as the music I am attempting to address.

Yours is one hell of an oblique headline.

Some of us still attempt to use descriptive language.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2016 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I don't know if this counts by Joe Hisaishi appeared to write additional music for both NausicaƤ and Kiki's Delivery Service OST's. Both follow the narrative of the story, specifically action sequences not musically represented in those films.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2016 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Would the lp release of Max Steiner's "Rome Adventure" count? It included various Italian songs -- evocative of the country and the love story portrayed in the film?

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/cdID/407/

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2016 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Would the lp release of Max Steiner's "Rome Adventure" count? It included various Italian songs -- evocative of the country and the love story portrayed in the film?


Without having seen the film or heard the album, I can't say for sure, but that sounds like the kind of thing I mean.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2016 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Do concert arrangements count? It's not exactly non-score music, but it isn't music written specifically for the film but does sometimes reflect the tone/mood of the film on album. One prime example is the Elgar-like string fantasy on The Fury's main theme that ends John Williams' original album.

Otherwise, the only quasi examples I can think of were the Kunzel/Cincinnati Pops Sci-Fi theme albums on Telarc that had electronic interpolations between numbers evoking spaciness, whalesong, etc. Sounds like the kind of thing Subotnick was doing, though I'd always rather hear Subotnick do it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2016 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I have 2 for ya, Onya.

1) The Night of the Iguana (1964) on MGM records. About half of this LP is music by Benjamin Frankel.
The other cues are selections of Latin pieces (of which I don't think any were actually used during the film itself) whose function is to reinforce to the listener that the setting is in Mexico.

2) Anne of the Thousand Days (1970) on Decca. Only one side of this LP is the music score by Georges Delerue. The other side is English Tudor music - selections which, again, I don't think actually appeared within the film - whose performers probably had a contract with Decca records.

There's also those albums which offer the impression of being a soundtrack from an individual film but whose contents are actually themes from 10 or more other titles. [MGM's Of Human Bondage is the one I am thinking of in this case - but this would fall under a different category]

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2016 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Interesting responses, thanks all!

Another that I thought of:

I would argue that the David Blume arrangements of Herrmann's "Taxi Driver" music, appearing on side 1 of the Arista LP, nicely portray the visual aesthetic of New York City in the 1970s.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Just remembered that Ava LP for David and Lisa, with the Mark Lawrence score on one side ... and jazz impressions on the other side by the Victor Feldman ensemble.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2016 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

A few more came to my memory whilst perusing my LP collection (including some faves which I forgot to mention earlier in this thread).

1) the 1961 Columbia LP of The Young Savages - the entire first side of which is jazz compositions by David Amram that aren't heard during the film itself and are not part of Amram's film score proper.

2) the 1975 CBS/Sugar LP on Cagliostro features a suite of Manuel de Sica's music for this Italian flick on side 1, with side 2 being variations of themes done by a small ensemble.
(never having seen the picture, though, I can't verify if those thematic miniatures appear within the film or were created solely for album purposes).

3) the 1978 United Artists LP on The Thirty Nine Steps by Ed Welch. This UK-only soundtrack puts the score on side 2 whilst side 1 is a piano concerto/rhapsody based on his score which I suspect Welch created especially for the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2016 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

1) The Night of the Iguana (1964) on MGM records. About half of this LP is music by Benjamin Frankel. The other cues are selections of Latin pieces (of which I don't think any were actually used during the film itself) whose function is to reinforce to the listener that the setting is in Mexico.


THE NIGHT OF THE IGUANA album (1964) has the first use (of which I am aware) of the words "music inspired by" on a soundtrack album.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2016 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The soundtrack album for THE ALAMO (1960) includes two vocals--"The Ballad of the Alamo," sung by Marty Robbins, and "The Green Leaves of Summer," sung by The Brothers Four--that do not appear in the film. While the latter is just an alternate vocal version of a song that is sung during the film by a chorus, the "Ballad" is definitely on the album to give some information on what the film is about. (And both are obviously there to attempt to get hit records for their artists.)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2016 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The soundtrack LP for THE BIBLE (1966) includes as its last track "The Creation - read by John Huston." As the album describes the 8-minute track:

"Some of the most inspiring and eloquent language in the entire body of English literature is found in The Bible. This recording includes the opening passages from the Book of Genesis--the moving account of The Creation--as read by director John Huston. Accompanied by the musical score taken from the soundtrack of the film, Mr. Huston's sensitive reading reflects the simplicity and poetry of The Bible as it describes the beginnings of man's great adventure on earth."

I don't believe that this track has appeared on any of the CD releases of the score.


In the same vein, the soundtrack LP for SHENANDOAH (1965) includes a 3-minute track called "The Legend of Shenandoah," in which star James Stewart briefly summarizes the story of the film, accompanied by the orchestra and chorus. The track is done with Stewart in character as "Charlie Anderson," as he speaks to his late wife at her grave site, something he does during the film itself.

 
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