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 Posted:   Feb 13, 2016 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Did you ever love a film score and heard bad things about film? You figured, "How bad can it be?" Then you watch the film and it is so unbelievably bad that you start to associate the music with the film, and you wish you hadn't given in to temptation.

Does this ever happen to you? Have you found any effective ways to erase the painful memory of the film without spending too much time or money on therapy or brain surgery?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2016 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

Sort of a variation comes to mind: I felt the need to try and get into Alan Silvestri's work, and was particularly drawn to the Predator, what with it apparently being one of the best-selling soundtracks ever.
I revisited both Predator films, and to my surprise, found the first one (both film and score) incredibly dull and slow. "This is considered one of the greatest action scores ever? Really? I must be missing something. I have to be wrong for not getting into this. I need to give the listening experience a chance."
So because I'm insecure I suppose, I bought Intrada's release...cool main theme aside, I still just couldn't get into it at all, no matter how many times I played it.
I figured it must be time to surrender my "film music fan" badge and go sulk in the corner, that there must be something wrong with me, maybe I'm ill..and then I watched Predator 2.
Complete opposite. LOVED the film and absolutely LOVED the score. It felt SO much more powerful, so delightfully energetic, and now the theme's been in my stuck in my head. I was utterly confused to discover that everyone adores the original score, and the sequel is mostly dismissed. I feel like I came from a different planet and don't understand human culture yet.
So now I'm stuck with a copy of the original score, forever cross at myself for not buying the sequel score instead. Kind of led to a grudge (and not the Christopher Young kind).
Anyway, more on-topic, I love Jerry Goldsmith's Leviathan...but I have to burst out laughing every time I listen to it, having to be reminded how atrocious the film itself is.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2016 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I can isolate the music from the film. So seeing a bad film doesn't ruin the score for me.

Actually I would say the opposite has happened with me. I can stomach a really bad film because the score is so good. Even think it's a little better than it actually was because of the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Love the Varese Sarabande LP for Loek Dikker's The Fourth Man, which I've had for years prior to watching the Verhoeven movie.

The film itself is a great disappointment because Verhoeven piles on loads of visceral and scatological scenes onto a subject matter that is essentially a Bergmanesque meditation on individuals with fixations/obsessions stemming from Catholic upbringing.

My dislike of the film does not hamper my continued enjoyment of Dikker's score (which at times resembles middle-period Karol Symanowski works).

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

Sort of a variation comes to mind: I felt the need to try and get into Alan Silvestri's work, and was particularly drawn to the Predator, what with it apparently being one of the best-selling soundtracks ever.
I revisited both Predator films, and to my surprise, found the first one (both film and score) incredibly dull and slow. "This is considered one of the greatest action scores ever? Really? I must be missing something. I have to be wrong for not getting into this. I need to give the listening experience a chance."
So because I'm insecure I suppose, I bought Intrada's release...cool main theme aside, I still just couldn't get into it at all, no matter how many times I played it.
I figured it must be time to surrender my "film music fan" badge and go sulk in the corner, that there must be something wrong with me, maybe I'm ill..and then I watched Predator 2.
Complete opposite. LOVED the film and absolutely LOVED the score. It felt SO much more powerful, so delightfully energetic, and now the theme's been in my stuck in my head. I was utterly confused to discover that everyone adores the original score, and the sequel is mostly dismissed. I feel like I came from a different planet and don't understand human culture yet.
So now I'm stuck with a copy of the original score, forever cross at myself for not buying the sequel score instead. Kind of led to a grudge (and not the Christopher Young kind).
Anyway, more on-topic, I love Jerry Goldsmith's Leviathan...but I have to burst out laughing every time I listen to it, having to be reminded how atrocious the film itself is.



I have not seen either film, and had not heard either score before buying the two most recent re-releases.
Predator left me a bit cold- solid, but not that engaging. I like the sequel score much more (that 'jungle' material is a great hook, and the rest of the score just seems more engaging). The sequel helped me understand what Silvestri was going for in the first move, but I still prefer the sequel score to listen to.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

I generally do my research before devoting time to watching movies and TV shows. I've watched plenty of things just for the music or some other aspect of the production. If I regretted anything afterwards, I probably knew it was going to be a slog in the first place. So I save those experiences for days I have absolutely nothing else that must be done.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I knew Goldsmith's LIONHEART music for years before I finally saw the movie, which I found on VHS in a Blockbuster. Let's just say, it wasn't one of director Frank Schaffner's better efforts. Great score, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

I think almost every time I've done this, the film has been a disappointment. The biggest and earliest was The Eiger Sanction for sure.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Love the Varese Sarabande LP for Loek Dikker's The Fourth Man, which I've had for years prior to watching the Verhoeven movie. The film itself is a great disappointment because Verhoeven piles on loads of visceral and scatological scenes onto a subject matter that is essentially a Bergmanesque meditation on individuals with fixations/obsessions stemming from Catholic upbringing. My dislike of the film does not hamper my continued enjoyment of Dikker's score (which at times resembles middle-period Karol Symanowski works).

Funny: I had exactly the opposite reaction. Saw the film. Thought it hypnotically fascinating, if also weird and somewhat repulsive. (I'm not sure it would stand up to another viewing.) Admired the score. Got the album, and (as so often happens) the music did not stand up well on its own. I'd have another listen on your recommendation, but it's WAY too cold to go out to the garage today! I do like Szymanowski (sp.), by the way.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   Sampo   (Member)

I had the reverse of this happen with Somewhere In Time. I listened to the Varese Rerecording when it was released, having never seen the film. I thought it was ok, nothing special really.

Then I caught Somewhere In Time on cable one evening at random & was amazed by how well the music makes the film work. Quite a change in perspective.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Luckily most people can divorce score from film or who would have bought Tadlow's Sodom & Gomorrah? And I feel no desire to laugh through the score just because the film has some risible moments; I take the music on its own terms. The enjoyment of film music really depends on that ability.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Movies as we envision them in our heads before watching them often tend to be better than the actual thing once we've seen it. Similarly, great film music can paint a better picture in our heads or evoke within us stronger emotions than the films they're attached to. Sometimes a bad film is just a bad film and I can enjoy the music perfectly well on its own (Diamonds Are Forever, The Phantom Menace, Godzilla '98). Sometimes the content or quality of a film really does taint the power of the score by association. I'm trying to think of a good example of this and can't at the moment, but this is the reason I won't watch films like The Time Machine '02 or The Fountain: both scores that I enjoy immensely and don't want to risk tainting for myself by coming to associate them with bad films.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 8:38 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

A.I. left a bad taste in my mouth, making it difficult to enjoy John Williams' score thereafter.

I was quite captivated by the CD of Jarre's Sunshine, which got quite a bit of play on my stereo -- until I saw the film. I've barely listened to it since.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

I’ll just say that seeing McQ for the first time after loving the heck out of the FSM release certainly did not make the album experience any better.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Another recent one with me is watching my Blu-ray of TAKE A HARD RIDE after getting and listening many times to the restored score on CD. Bloody awful western (makes 100 RIFLES look like THE WILD BUNCH) -- and Goldsmith's score sounds terrible in the soundtrack -- the movie is only interesting to me now because much of it was shot in some of the same locations as ONE MILLION YEARS B.C.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

One word: Krull.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So I will tell you my example in a separate post, but first, help prevent this from happening again.

Tell me not to see these two films:

I love Bronislau Kaper's score for "Green Mansions," but I have heard nothing but bad things about the film.

I love the score to "Mortdecai" by the two guys I never heard of, but I hear the film sucks royally, even though Johnny Depp is in it.

Am I right to avoid these?

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 10:10 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

So I will tell you my example in a separate post, but first, help prevent this from happening again.

Tell me not to see these two films:

I love Bronislau Kaper's score for "Green Mansions," but I have heard nothing but bad things about the film.

I love the score to "Mortdecai" by the two guys I never heard of, but I hear the film sucks royally, even though Johnny Depp is in it.

Am I right to avoid these?


You're not missing anything, but avoid them? I don't know. They're forgettable, but I can't imagine they can ruin a score you like.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Mortdecai is the single-worst movie of last year.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2016 - 10:47 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I had loved the score for WALK ON THE WILD SIDE for years, then made the mistake of seeing the film. I'm just now beginning to forget details of the movie, so my enjoyment of the soundtrack (thankfully saved from oblivion by Intrada in its wonderful Bernstein at Ava set) has begun to return. What a loser of a film, but damn I love that music. Elmer in the early 60s was hard to touch...

 
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