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 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

(MV, consider this a love letter to your recent expansion of virtual releases.)

I just bought Goldsmith's expanded The Ghost and the Darkness.

You all know the drill. One of, if not, the best of in what's Goldsmith's otherwise somewhat tedious output in the nineties. It's got strong themes, a stark, dark atmosphere and depth. All that and a rich orchestral an ethnic color. A Goldsmith as it should be.

I never got around to buy Intrada's expanded album. I mean, I liked the original release, but it never was on top of my playlist. Not even when I was in a Goldsmith mood. I can't say why. But still, I knew I would have to get the expansion one day. Goldsmith is one of these composers where a lot of times an expanded score gives the music the necessary room to breath. In a way that the music comes alive in a whole new way. Themes develop, atmosphere builds. And sometimes I had a hard time agreeing with Goldsmith own picks for a soundtrack album. So I knew The Ghost and the Darkness could harbor a treasure or two.

But still I haven't gotten around to buying it. It went in and out my shopping basket, always being bumped for something with more priority.

You can only spend a dollar once -- and even that costs me 90 eurocents. But with La-la's new steps in the virtual music market, something has changed -- for the better.

Getting the awesome music of The Ghost and the Darkness (NP) I had to fork over € 10,99. *Just* ten euro and ninety-nine cents. For 16-bit FLAC. At the *exact* same audio quality a cd would have got me.

Getting the score from Intrada would have const me $ 29,99, that's almost twenty-seven in euro's. Shipping it would have required € 12,15 extra. Or, to balance the costs, I would have bought five titles in total -- not more than five to avoid taxes -- the extra cost would be $ 4,30 per cd. The cost total would be a wee bit more than € 31,10.

Today I spend € 10,99 to get a score that I wanted.

So I saved 20 to 30 euro's. I miss out on something tangible, a booklet and, of course, liner notes. But those aren't worth the price of three extra score albums. Or two movie tickets. Or a quick meal and a beer. Or two. Not to mention the environmental impact of producing the cd and the jewel case, the packaging and the poisonous fumes these cargo ships are polluting our skies with that I did't contribute to.

I any case, I know there are reservations regarding virtual releases. Your bold move in virtual releasing more scores through the deal with Paramount saves me money, saves the planet *and* makes it far more easy to dive into score I might have missed out on.

Kudos for that. And many thanks.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

Goldsmith's otherwise somewhat tedious output in the nineties.

Uh-oh...

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Not to mention the environmental impact of producing the cd and the jewel case, the packaging and the poisonous fumes these cargo ships are polluting our skies with that I did't contribute to...

Yeah but we just traded that for billions of used smart phones, computers, monitors, laptops, tablets, & mp3 players poisoning the Earth and ground water.

Edit: I do think digital or bust is a good trend for those financially strapped. And GATD is by far his best late career score.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

Not sure I agree about the environmental benefits of not having to manufacture physical CDs and cases etc.

We get through so much disposable household goods and associated packaging waste on a daily basis, but I consider a CD as a more permanent purchase that I'm going to "use" many times and less likely to dispose of. It just seems that music is an easy one to justify that argument because it can be "virtualised". I'm going to keep a CD, but have no desire to keep (for example) a plastic detergent bottle.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Jolly Roger   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

(MV, consider this a love letter to your recent expansion of virtual releases.)

I just bought Goldsmith's expanded The Ghost and the Darkness.

You all know the drill. One of, if not the best, in what's Goldsmith's otherwise somewhat tedious output in the nineties. It's got strong themes, a stark, dark atmosphere and depth. All that and a rich orchestral an ethnic color. A Goldsmith as it should be.

I never got around to buy Intrada's expanded album. I mean, I liked the original release, but it never was on top of my playlist. Not even when I was in a Goldsmith mood. I can't say why. But still, I knew I would have to get the expansion one day. Goldsmith is one of these composers where a lot of times an expanded score gives the music the necessary room to breath. In a way that the music comes alive in a whole new way. Themes develop, atmosphere builds. And sometimes I had a hard time agreeing with Goldsmith own picks for a soundtrack album. So I knew The Ghost and the Darkness could harbor a treasure or two.

But still I haven't gotten around to buying it. It went in and out my shopping basket, always being bumped for something with more priority.

You can only spend a dollar once -- and even that costs me 90 eurocents. But with La-la's new steps in the virtual music market, something has changed -- for the better.

Getting the awesome music of The Ghost and the Darkness (NP) I had to fork over € 10,99. *Just* ten euro and ninety-nine cents. For 16-bit FLAC. At the *exact* same audio quality a cd would have got me.

Getting the score from Intrada would have const me $ 29,99, that's almost twenty-seven in euro's. Shipping it would have required € 12,15 extra. Or, to balance the costs, I would have bought five titles in total -- not more than five to avoid taxes -- the extra cost would be $ 4,30 per cd. The cost total would be a wee bit more than € 31,10.

Today I spend € 10,99 to get a score that I wanted.

So I saved 20 to 30 euro's. I miss out on something tangible, a booklet and, of course, liner notes. But those aren't worth the price of three extra score albums. Or two movie tickets. Or a quick meal and a beer. Or two. Not to mention the environmental impact of producing the cd and the jewel case, the packaging and the poisonous fumes these cargo ships are polluting our skies with that I did't contribute to.

I any case, I know there are reservations regarding virtual releases. Your bold move in virtual releasing more scores through the deal with Paramount saves me money, saves the planet *and* makes it far more easy to dive into score I might have missed out on.

Kudos for that. And many thanks.


Hey MV, see if you can get these up on Pono as 16/44, lossless downloads. I'll buy many of them. Pono has all major label releases up as lossless as well as most indie labels.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Goldsmith's otherwise somewhat tedious output in the nineties.

Uh-oh...


Tedious -- not to mention just downright mediocre -- is what I'd call the movie, The Ghost and the Darkness, itself, and I think the original screenwriter, were he still alive, would agree.

As for Goldsmith's score, which I've never collected on CD, a CD with a jewel case and a nice booklet of good liner notes being what I prefer to purchase, simply because I don't like the movie, is not the greatest Goldsmith ever did, but served the movie well.

I watched the movie again a few months ago streaming in HD on Amazon Prime. I hadn't seen the thing since its original release and was curious if I'd think any better of it. I didn't.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

(MV, consider this a love letter to your recent expansion of virtual releases.)

I just bought Goldsmith's expanded The Ghost and the Darkness.

You all know the drill. One of, if not the best, in what's Goldsmith's otherwise somewhat tedious output in the nineties. It's got strong themes, a stark, dark atmosphere and depth. All that and a rich orchestral an ethnic color. A Goldsmith as it should be.

I never got around to buy Intrada's expanded album. I mean, I liked the original release, but it never was on top of my playlist. Not even when I was in a Goldsmith mood. I can't say why. But still, I knew I would have to get the expansion one day. Goldsmith is one of these composers where a lot of times an expanded score gives the music the necessary room to breath. In a way that the music comes alive in a whole new way. Themes develop, atmosphere builds. And sometimes I had a hard time agreeing with Goldsmith own picks for a soundtrack album. So I knew The Ghost and the Darkness could harbor a treasure or two.

But still I haven't gotten around to buying it. It went in and out my shopping basket, always being bumped for something with more priority.

You can only spend a dollar once -- and even that costs me 90 eurocents. But with La-la's new steps in the virtual music market, something has changed -- for the better.

Getting the awesome music of The Ghost and the Darkness (NP) I had to fork over € 10,99. *Just* ten euro and ninety-nine cents. For 16-bit FLAC. At the *exact* same audio quality a cd would have got me.

Getting the score from Intrada would have const me $ 29,99, that's almost twenty-seven in euro's. Shipping it would have required € 12,15 extra. Or, to balance the costs, I would have bought five titles in total -- not more than five to avoid taxes -- the extra cost would be $ 4,30 per cd. The cost total would be a wee bit more than € 31,10.

Today I spend € 10,99 to get a score that I wanted.

So I saved 20 to 30 euro's. I miss out on something tangible, a booklet and, of course, liner notes. But those aren't worth the price of three extra score albums. Or two movie tickets. Or a quick meal and a beer. Or two. Not to mention the environmental impact of producing the cd and the jewel case, the packaging and the poisonous fumes these cargo ships are polluting our skies with that I did't contribute to.

I any case, I know there are reservations regarding virtual releases. Your bold move in virtual releasing more scores through the deal with Paramount saves me money, saves the planet *and* makes it far more easy to dive into score I might have missed out on.

Kudos for that. And many thanks.


Hey MV, see if you can get these up on Pono as 16/44, lossless downloads. I'll buy many of them. Pono has all major label releases up as lossless as well as most indie labels.


Just buy the cd from Intrada

MV

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)


Just buy the cd from Intrada

MV



Huh? confused

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)


Just buy the cd from Intrada

MV


Huh? confused


I believe that was in response to Mr. Popular's inquiry about 16/44 Pono downloads. (He quoted your post, and MV quoted his quote.)

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2016 - 11:48 PM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

(MV, consider this a love letter to your recent expansion of virtual releases.)

I just bought Goldsmith's expanded The Ghost and the Darkness.

You all know the drill. One of, if not the best, in what's Goldsmith's otherwise somewhat tedious output in the nineties. It's got strong themes, a stark, dark atmosphere and depth. All that and a rich orchestral an ethnic color. A Goldsmith as it should be.

I never got around to buy Intrada's expanded album. I mean, I liked the original release, but it never was on top of my playlist. Not even when I was in a Goldsmith mood. I can't say why. But still, I knew I would have to get the expansion one day. Goldsmith is one of these composers where a lot of times an expanded score gives the music the necessary room to breath. In a way that the music comes alive in a whole new way. Themes develop, atmosphere builds. And sometimes I had a hard time agreeing with Goldsmith own picks for a soundtrack album. So I knew The Ghost and the Darkness could harbor a treasure or two.

But still I haven't gotten around to buying it. It went in and out my shopping basket, always being bumped for something with more priority.

You can only spend a dollar once -- and even that costs me 90 eurocents. But with La-la's new steps in the virtual music market, something has changed -- for the better.

Getting the awesome music of The Ghost and the Darkness (NP) I had to fork over € 10,99. *Just* ten euro and ninety-nine cents. For 16-bit FLAC. At the *exact* same audio quality a cd would have got me.

Getting the score from Intrada would have const me $ 29,99, that's almost twenty-seven in euro's. Shipping it would have required € 12,15 extra. Or, to balance the costs, I would have bought five titles in total -- not more than five to avoid taxes -- the extra cost would be $ 4,30 per cd. The cost total would be a wee bit more than € 31,10.

Today I spend € 10,99 to get a score that I wanted.

So I saved 20 to 30 euro's. I miss out on something tangible, a booklet and, of course, liner notes. But those aren't worth the price of three extra score albums. Or two movie tickets. Or a quick meal and a beer. Or two. Not to mention the environmental impact of producing the cd and the jewel case, the packaging and the poisonous fumes these cargo ships are polluting our skies with that I did't contribute to.

I any case, I know there are reservations regarding virtual releases. Your bold move in virtual releasing more scores through the deal with Paramount saves me money, saves the planet *and* makes it far more easy to dive into score I might have missed out on.

Kudos for that. And many thanks.


Hey MV, see if you can get these up on Pono as 16/44, lossless downloads. I'll buy many of them. Pono has all major label releases up as lossless as well as most indie labels.


Just buy the cd from Intrada

MV


These means all the Paramount titles, MV. Sheesh. Also, I am in a thread asking for DIGITAL 16/44. If I wanted a CD, I'd be in a CD thread. If it's not that important to release these on a site that Tunecore and many other aggregators service, your call and I respect that. I just won't buy Itunes downloads and many labels will make sure all services get these releases to sell. Options are good. But hey...good work on getting that deal.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2016 - 1:04 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

But i thought people on the other thread said it was available in FLAC at 7digital. I'm confused. Or do they just re-encoded the MP3? Too often labels only upload to iTunes, which still didn't reply to my 2004 email about lossless option. Seems like they have frozen in time since then. In that case yes, CDs are available, so no big deal, but the announcement has not been clear about sound quality.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2016 - 1:44 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

But i thought people on the other thread said it was available in FLAC at 7digital


As I wrote in my post, I got the lossless FLAC, from 7 Digital.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2016 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

£19.95 for the FLAC lossless download of Logan's Run?! Either 7Digital is being greedy or the label :/

https://www.7digital.com/artist/jerry-goldsmith/release/logans-run-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-deluxe?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2

Until downloads cost less than physical product, I'll continue getting the physical product, even though I generally rip them, read the sleevenotes once or twice, then they're stored away.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2016 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

£19.95 for the FLAC lossless download of Logan's Run?! Either 7Digital is being greedy or the label :/

https://www.7digital.com/artist/jerry-goldsmith/release/logans-run-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-deluxe?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2

Until downloads cost less than physical product, I'll continue getting the physical product, even though I generally rip them, read the sleevenotes once or twice, then they're stored away.


That's exactly why I buy digital.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2016 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

£19.95 for the FLAC lossless download of Logan's Run?! Either 7Digital is being greedy or the label :/


€ 10,99 in the Netherlands.

Edit: that's the original release, not the expanded edition. Strange that they picked such steed price.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2016 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

It is the FSM expanded - look at the track listing...

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2016 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

£19.95 for the FLAC lossless download of Logan's Run?! Either 7Digital is being greedy or the label :/

https://www.7digital.com/artist/jerry-goldsmith/release/logans-run-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-deluxe?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2

Until downloads cost less than physical product, I'll continue getting the physical product, even though I generally rip them, read the sleevenotes once or twice, then they're stored away.


I am glad it's there. Problem is 7digital is not in the USA. Unless something has changed I can't buy a 7digital lossless album. This is why I was asking MV if Pono or even HDtracks will be serviced with these releases.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2016 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

As far as I remember I had no problem buying from 7digital when I was in the US.

One problem with 7digital and Qobuz is that even if they offer lossless, they plainly told me that they have no time for a quality check and the just upload what people send them. The result is that quite a few sketchy labels just re-encode MP3 to FLAC and sell at a higher price. Or even worse they just re-upload a CD that was public domain but that should be easy to spot for the serious Golden Age collectors. So far, the stores have always offered me a refund or a credit after a "check". I doubt La-La Land or Warner sources would be a problem, but TP4 Music, Cinemusique, etc have been selling re-encoded MP3 files as lossless.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2016 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

(MV, consider this a love letter to your recent expansion of virtual releases.)

I just bought Goldsmith's expanded The Ghost and the Darkness.

You all know the drill. One of, if not the best, in what's Goldsmith's otherwise somewhat tedious output in the nineties. It's got strong themes, a stark, dark atmosphere and depth. All that and a rich orchestral an ethnic color. A Goldsmith as it should be.

I never got around to buy Intrada's expanded album. I mean, I liked the original release, but it never was on top of my playlist. Not even when I was in a Goldsmith mood. I can't say why. But still, I knew I would have to get the expansion one day. Goldsmith is one of these composers where a lot of times an expanded score gives the music the necessary room to breath. In a way that the music comes alive in a whole new way. Themes develop, atmosphere builds. And sometimes I had a hard time agreeing with Goldsmith own picks for a soundtrack album. So I knew The Ghost and the Darkness could harbor a treasure or two.

But still I haven't gotten around to buying it. It went in and out my shopping basket, always being bumped for something with more priority.

You can only spend a dollar once -- and even that costs me 90 eurocents. But with La-la's new steps in the virtual music market, something has changed -- for the better.

Getting the awesome music of The Ghost and the Darkness (NP) I had to fork over € 10,99. *Just* ten euro and ninety-nine cents. For 16-bit FLAC. At the *exact* same audio quality a cd would have got me.

Getting the score from Intrada would have const me $ 29,99, that's almost twenty-seven in euro's. Shipping it would have required € 12,15 extra. Or, to balance the costs, I would have bought five titles in total -- not more than five to avoid taxes -- the extra cost would be $ 4,30 per cd. The cost total would be a wee bit more than € 31,10.

Today I spend € 10,99 to get a score that I wanted.

So I saved 20 to 30 euro's. I miss out on something tangible, a booklet and, of course, liner notes. But those aren't worth the price of three extra score albums. Or two movie tickets. Or a quick meal and a beer. Or two. Not to mention the environmental impact of producing the cd and the jewel case, the packaging and the poisonous fumes these cargo ships are polluting our skies with that I did't contribute to.

I any case, I know there are reservations regarding virtual releases. Your bold move in virtual releasing more scores through the deal with Paramount saves me money, saves the planet *and* makes it far more easy to dive into score I might have missed out on.

Kudos for that. And many thanks.


Hey MV, see if you can get these up on Pono as 16/44, lossless downloads. I'll buy many of them. Pono has all major label releases up as lossless as well as most indie labels.


Just buy the cd from Intrada

MV


These means all the Paramount titles, MV. Sheesh. Also, I am in a thread asking for DIGITAL 16/44. If I wanted a CD, I'd be in a CD thread. If it's not that important to release these on a site that Tunecore and many other aggregators service, your call and I respect that. I just won't buy Itunes downloads and many labels will make sure all services get these releases to sell. Options are good. But hey...good work on getting that deal.


My point is that it's silly to talk about purchasing a hi res download when you can simply buy the cd (the best sound quality you are going to get for your buck) and get a fantastic booklet for just about the same price.

And no, we have no immediate plans to offer hi res downloads through specialty sites. Its not worth the cost. As stated before -- if you want that buy the cd, copy it and then resell it.

MV

 
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