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 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I never understood why the release of a new format of audio/visual presentation caused people to just junk their 'old' stuff.

I have 'upgraded' from vhs to laser to dvd; from lp to cassette to cd.

Yet, I have never felt compelled to discard a/v equipment & stuff. For me there is still a reason to own a cassette player and a video cassette player AND a turntable; I still have music and movies in that format, much of which can not easily be replaced!

Rant over
smile
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

I junk tech when it no longer actively works for me.

I still have a couple of working VHS recorders and a 24" CRT TV. But the DVR is a better recorder, and the CRT picture has been dodgy for 15+ years
I am about to junk 2 DVD players that simply will not play DVDs and more. I will probably move on to an inexpensive Blu-Ray player that will also play CDs, DVDs, and BRs. Or maybe just a thrift store DVD player.

We bought our first HD TV 4 years ago. Our second just last summer.

I tend to use stuff until it fails utterly. I don't just toss stuff when a new format comes along, but I also won't stay beholden to an old format when the alternative is cheaper, and easier, and better.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Well, certain older formats were decent for their times but were never realy good, take an LP for example; it's big, bulky, got worn out from use, and held little quantity compared to a CD. then the CD and CD player comes along offering a smaller more compact format that with just one side offered more room, better sound quality, and had no needle required to play it and scratch it, promising to last you your whole life (that was, until bronzing and poor quality mediums showed us that wasn't necessarily true).

Eventually your typical store stopped carrying LP turn tables, replacement parts, related products and what was carried costed more and suddenly CD players went down in price, so it became unreasonable to keep the bulky equipment and LP's and just upgrade to CD.

Of course that's not for everybody, some people do have material on LP that was never released on CD or have LP's that contain tracks that never made it to CD. For me, I can't think of anything that I want that hasn't been on CD that was on LP, so I'm good. Have played an LP since probably the early 1990's.


not everything needs to be replaced just because something new comes along and people view it like dangling shiny objects infront of their eyes, but some things deserved to be obsolete. I for one, for example, prefer a society where we drive cars as opposed to horse and buggys with horse shit all over the road and people who have to clean it up.

I prefer being able to mail a letter than going to a telegram office everytime I need to say something to somebody out of town that happens to have a local telegram office to recieve the message.

And I prefer indoor plumbing and a toilet to an outhouse with a hole in the ground. Ditto toilet paper to leaves.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

And I prefer . . . a toilet to . . . a hole in the ground.

On the other hand, squatting is much better for our health, with toilets being in large part to thank for the hemorrhoid epidemic.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Why? The promise of better quality.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I never understood why the release of a new format of audio/visual presentation caused people to just junk their 'old' stuff.

I have 'upgraded' from vhs to laser to dvd; from lp to cassette to cd.

Yet, I have never felt compelled to discard a/v equipment & stuff. For me there is still a reason to own a cassette player and a video cassette player AND a turntable; I still have music and movies in that format, much of which can not easily be replaced!

Rant over
smile
bruce


I think the clue is in the title, obsolete formats. (& from you're list, haven't you moved on to Blu-ray yet?). I'm just sorting out stuff to take to a charity shop, a very good professional cassette player (I nicked that from work, but they were only going to throw it out), a CD player that takes 50 CD's, it's a monster, huge, I think time has caught up with that one, a huge old amp (I'm still thinking about that, but I haven't used it for 16 years). If I lived in a big old place, I suppose I could keep it all in a spare room, but to what purpose?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

I love Blu-ray and can only hope that the impending slew of 4K discs will allow Blu-ray prices to plummet like DVDs.

*fingers crossed*

Blu-ray, soon to be my favorite "obsolete" format.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

For all the pragmatic reasons already stated above. The other reason? We are a consumer based disposable society. We can't wait to buy the next new thing, and trash the old.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I never understood why the release of a new format of audio/visual presentation caused people to just junk their 'old' stuff.

I have 'upgraded' from vhs to laser to dvd; from lp to cassette to cd.

Yet, I have never felt compelled to discard a/v equipment & stuff. For me there is still a reason to own a cassette player and a video cassette player AND a turntable; I still have music and movies in that format, much of which can not easily be replaced!

Rant over
smile
bruce


I think the clue is in the title, obsolete formats. (& from you're list, haven't you moved on to Blu-ray yet?). ?


i just bought a br player.
Now, all i need is an hdtv!!!!
( i have a very high quality crt)
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 7:16 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

one good thing about sticking with dvd _ they are really cheap used (same with cds)!!!!!

Blu-ray has also gotten cheaper
brm

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

del

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 7:20 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"Well, certain older formats were decent for their times but were never realy good, take an LP for example; it's big, bulky, got worn out from use, and held little quantity compared to a CD. then the CD and CD player comes along offering a smaller more compact format that with just one side offered more room, better sound quality, and had no needle required to play it and scratch it, promising to last you your whole life (that was, until bronzing and poor quality mediums showed us that wasn't necessarily true)."

you missed my point (intentionally?)

I am not comparing the relative merits of lp to cd (of course cds are superior)
Just the fact that most of us have had or do have video casettes and music cassettes and vinyl records.
SO, why not keep the equipment to play them?

brm

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

I upgrade if there's a big jump in quality or convenience...that's why it was easy to jump from VHS to laserdisc (better picture, chapter breaks) to DVD (no longer have to flip disc sides, even better quality) to Blu-Ray (even better-better quality, takes up less space).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2016 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

one good thing about sticking with dvd _ they are really cheap used (same with cds)!!!!!

Blu-ray has also gotten cheaper
brm


They're cheap new! $3.75 new at Target sometimes.

Then again, I got T2 on Blu-ray for $5 there.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 12:14 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

I never understood why the release of a new format of audio/visual presentation caused people to just junk their 'old' stuff.

I have 'upgraded' from vhs to laser to dvd; from lp to cassette to cd.

Yet, I have never felt compelled to discard a/v equipment & stuff. For me there is still a reason to own a cassette player and a video cassette player AND a turntable; I still have music and movies in that format, much of which can not easily be replaced!

Rant over
smile
bruce



My guess is that people abandon "obsolete" formats because of the fact that when they get their newer formats they need to make room for it so they get rid of the old stuff.

Personally I still have some movies on VHS because they have not yet been released on newer formats (DVD or Blu-ray). I still own LP soundtracks because of the fact that some of my LP soundtracks still not released on CD or they are but in a limited edition and sold out so if I found a cheap release on LP I go for that instead of paying a huge amount of dollars for the sold out CD release. But that`s me that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I suppose if they're still being used, they're not yet obsolete. I still have my minidisc recorder, I like the editing on that. I use my Sony CD recorder every week, it's getting on a bit now, & when it goes wrong I suppose that's it, they don't seem to make them anymore. And Apple have stopped making the 160gb ipod classic (people use their phones now), luckily I do have a spare from when Amazon were selling them off cheaply, they go for a lot of money now.

...& I still buy CD's smile

...& I've been buying some old cameras from charity shops, some interesting old designs & some great SLR's, they're nice things to have dotted around the place.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I never understood why the release of a new format of audio/visual presentation caused people to just junk their 'old' stuff.

I have 'upgraded' from vhs to laser to dvd; from lp to cassette to cd.

Yet, I have never felt compelled to discard a/v equipment & stuff. For me there is still a reason to own a cassette player and a video cassette player AND a turntable; I still have music and movies in that format, much of which can not easily be replaced!

Rant over
smile
bruce


AGREED!

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Well for video, the jump from VHS to DVD and then DVD to Blu Ray has each time been drastic and worth the upgrade. Blu Ray has the added benefit of uncompressed audio. At the same time streaming has generally made the need to have discs obsolete and the quality of audio and picture is good enough that most people might not feel much need to deal with discs. If Netflix had movies available more quickly on streaming I might not bother renting Blu-rays but there are enough releases that aren't available for streaming that I do both.

For music, the CD is essentially obsolete with digital music available out there but our beloved soundtrack labels keep the format alive because you can't (legally)download (yet) most of what they release. I prefer digital audio downloads over CDs because of the simple saving of space that comes with it. Of course it is easy enough to convert your CD to digital audio files yourself once you get it and the quality is the same.

For books, the convenience of reading on a Kindle (proper e-reader) is so much better and I don't think I will ever go back to reading actual books except for the occasional book someone lends me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

I still collect and run 16mm film prints. I've been able to get some great films that are not available on other formats. And there is something about running a real (reel) film projector that I find more satisfying than video projection. As I type this I am running a nice, clean scope print with good color of John Frankenheimer's The Horsemen on a big screen and it looks great. Others may scoff at my clinging to this obsolete format, but running a nice print in a good auditorium makes me happy, and isn't that what we all strive for in life?

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

One of the labels said in the last three years digital sales were low. Plus digital sounds tracks have a number of draw backs to CD's, including but not limited to:

  • Not available in every country.

  • Nothing to sign, for those who like to get booklets signed.

  • If the hard drive fails or is badly infected, you can loose must if not all of it, as opposed to one CD's going bad or being lost some other way.

  • Speed and bandwidth issues.

  • And who shady question of what kind of money the artists and performers make from downloads.

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