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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   Isaac The Red   (Member)

I recently read James Southall’s Thoughts on the Noughties – A Decade of Devolution where he argues that film scoring has changed for the worse during the last twenty-five years. According to Southall, at least some of the blame for why film scoring has changed can be put upon Hans Zimmer’s surface-level scoring. It is clear that Southall laments the relative lack of deep and intelligent film scores nowadays compared to the seventies and eighties.

Though I agree that many blockbuster film scores today are different and sometimes a bit less exciting than they used to be, Southall unfortunately doesn’t explain exactly what deep and intelligent film music actually is. Therefore I’m left with the question, what makes a score good or deep or intelligent?

So, what makes a score deep and intelligent? Is it having many themes and motifs, good orchestration, making the music evolve and progress, having the music go against the picture or is it something else?

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Listen to The Rocketeer then listen to any recent Marvel score and you will get your answer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

A question I put to the task here:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=1842&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Isaac The Red   (Member)

Thanks, Thor. Always saving the day with a link!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   JCHARM   (Member)

I have found that many of the current scores come away as sound effects, rather than a musical score. The best film scores tend to come from animated films, who rely on the score for greater emotional under-pinning. The priority for modern films are CGI, sound effects, promotional music owned by the studio ( mostly in the background )
then relegated to last position of importance is the films score. Produces and directors seem to find classical film scores to be intrusive. Films are edited in jump cuts and film score get lost in the shuffle..Plain and simply put it's a damn shame

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   WhoDat   (Member)

A very complex question, but in my mind it boils down to something kinda simplistic... if you can't imagine the experience of a particular movie WITHOUT its score then it's a good score. Some off-the-top-of-my-head examples:

• Star Wars Trilogy
• Dances with Wolves
• The Rocketeer (timely this week!)
• Independence Day
• Jaws
• Lord of the Rings
• Indiana Jones
• Batman (1989)

Composer talent, theme, orchestration, spotting, and overall impact all are critical elements to a good score. But I like the phrase that the podcast guys use over at Rebel Radio -- John Williams is the oxygen of the Star Wars universe. His score is the unseen character in every scene, giving life to all the other characters. Any "good score" does this I think.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I think what makes a score "good" is based completely on subjective experience, of course. The only real measuring stick is whether a score supports a movie in the way that it's supposed to. Did the director feel her or his film is supported by the score? Did it help the audience to feel, laugh, thrill, etc at the right moment?

Anything else is imposing your judgment of quality on others, IMO. There are plenty of people who find Zimmer's "surface-level" scoring to be great, their entryway into the world of film music, etc.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   FredGarvin   (Member)

For me, it's as simple as the "goose-bump factor". It's that moment (or many) in a movie when the music matches the visuals beautifully and it is very clear that the composer was truly inspired by something that is not quantifiable.

On top of that, the skill involved and whether it also stands on its own and can take you to that place it was meant to take you (or beyond).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

A score that's higher than the other team.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

More Cowbell.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2016 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

In the context of a film to me a good score fits the film but a masterful score fits the film and raises it to a new level that the film might not have reached without the music. Many scores these days are good and fitting but don't stand out and to me that is a big part of the distinction. It also helps to write a memorable theme or motif because that is what helps set apart one score from another when they all sound very similar. I focus so much on themes because themes help an individual score connect with me. The Rocketeer is a perfect example, the theme is long form, catchy, and unique enough that it sticks with you long after the movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2016 - 5:29 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

What makes a score good? Whether I like the music or not.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2016 - 6:01 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

What makes a score good? Whether I like the music or not.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2016 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   SalaciousAckbar   (Member)

If I come out of the movie and I can't get a melody or theme out of my head. Being memorable to the point where I can hum many of the themes after only listening to them a couple of times.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2016 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

OF course the first element is for a score to work in a film, although I rarely have encountered a score that doesn't work in a film..

So, after that we go to:
a score that shows that the composer has a deep understanding and sophisticated knowledge of harmony, counterpoint and melody and uses these tools to his advantage and the film's of course.
By the way, sophistication does not mean complexity.
Very simple music can be sophisticated too (contrary to simplistic music which uses very basic harmony, non-existent counterpoint and uninspired melodies)

 
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