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Jul 18, 2016 - 3:28 PM
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Mike_J
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Haven't watched this in years so thought I'd catch up with it on tonight's screening on the Syfi Channel.
I'd forgotten how much I hate it!
To be hair, it's still light years beyond any of the movies with the TNG cast and there are bits of Trek III which are great - Horner's score for example and Shatner, who is just awesome as Kirk in every scene he's in. And the scene where they steal the Enterprise is good fun, even if it is totally dumb.
But the bad... man alive, where do I start? Robyn Curtis' acting? The urrwtky terrible costume designs? (much as I hate Walter Koening as an actor, even he doesn't deserve to be dressed as Little Lord Fauntleroy)? The massive plot holes (chief amongst which being the galacticlly stupid illogic in Kirk and co going back to Genesis when neither they nor Sarrek could possibly know that Spock's body would be re-born by the Genesis effect - and therefore all they really should have been doing is getting McCoy to Vulcan, for which they could have taken a 23rd century bus rather than having to pinch the Enterprise).
And let's not forget Kruge's dog, which basically looks like a wooden crocodile from a beach front Punch n Judy show. Or the fact that the Enterprise has mysteriously sustained a huge amount more damage than when we last saw it in Trek II. Or how horrible the art direction of the Excellsior bridge is. The list is endless.
But it is the directing that really really annoys me. Honestly, it looks like it was shot by someone who had just got their first camcorder. Almost every scene is composed in the same dreadful static manner - high angles intercut with low angles, with the camera almost always locked down. Lighting that is either full on or over-saturated with red filters. Stupid close ups when the camera should be showing the entire range of an actor's emotions.
And to be honest Nimoy's directing didn't really improve by the Voyage Home. Like its predecessor, that film looks like a TV movie, shot by a journeyman director.
Say what you like about Trek V - a film which was horribly blighted by budget constructions - but the guy in the director's chair on that occasion actually looked like he knew what he was doing. It's a huge shame Shatner never got another shot at directing a Trek movie.
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Haven't watched this in years so thought I'd catch up with it on tonight's screening on the Syfi Channel.
I'd forgotten how much I hate it!
Goddammit, Mike. Is there ANYTHING ON THIS EARTH THAT YOU LIKE???
Am I just looking at the wrong threads?
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Jul 18, 2016 - 3:56 PM
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Mike_J
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Haven't watched this in years so thought I'd catch up with it on tonight's screening on the Syfi Channel.
I'd forgotten how much I hate it!
Goddammit, Mike. Is there ANYTHING ON THIS EARTH THAT YOU LIKE???
Am I just looking at the wrong threads?
lol I see your point but there are loads of things I love!
All 4 Lethal Weapons, the first 4 Roger Moore Bonds & all of the Connery ones, the 3 real Indy movies, Star Wars episodes IV & V, White Heat, even Spielberg movie up until Hook, every Jim Cameron movie, Planet of the Apes, both Gremlins movies, The Prisoner, Trek TOS... seriously I am a huge fan of many many things.
I just hate badly made rubbish that's all 
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Jul 18, 2016 - 3:59 PM
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johnjohnson
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Haven't watched this in years so thought I'd catch up with it on tonight's screening on the Syfi Channel.
I'd forgotten how much I hate it!
Goddammit, Mike. Is there ANYTHING ON THIS EARTH THAT YOU LIKE???
Am I just looking at the wrong threads?
lol I see your point but there are loads of things I love!
All 4 Lethal Weapons, the first 4 Roger Moore Bonds & all of the Connery ones, the 3 real Indy movies, Star Wars episodes IV & V, White Heat, even Spielberg movie up until Hook, every Jim Cameron movie, Planet of the Apes, both Gremlins movies, The Prisoner, Trek TOS... seriously I am a huge fan of many many things.
I just hate badly made rubbish that's all
Moontrap.
Walter Koening in Babylon 5. Mind you, Babylon 5 in general springs to mind.
I would have said every Spielberg film up until Empire of the Sun myself. He gets a free pass with Jurassic Park though.
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Jul 18, 2016 - 6:55 PM
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johnjohnson
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I like the film, I saw it with my father in 1984. I admit I like ALL the STAR TREK films. I just watched an interview with Nicholas Meyer and he said he turned THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK down, I wonder what it would have been like if he hadn't?
Well, for sure it wouldn't have looked like my cat directed it, unlike the finished version.
Mike, are you going to get the STAR TREK 50TH television and movie collection on Blu-ray in September? I can't wait!
I think the 50th collection looks like money for old rope. The packaging looks crap too. If there's anything Trek-wise I want to get, I'll probably just settle for TOS. These are region-free, so I can get them dirt cheap from the UK at the moment, thanks to Brexit. The spin-off shows, I can live without.
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Huh? What am I not following in Mike_J's and ZapBrannigan's criticisms here? I don't recall either Kirk or Sarek saying anything in the film about the Genesis Planet regenerating Spock's cells or body; just that they needed his body. And the Genesis Planet is where they ejected his body to, right? And don't they need his body to put his "Khatra" (or whatever it's called) back in to? What would they do with his Khatra once they got to Vulcan if they don't have a body? Or do they have spare Spock clones lying around on Vulcan to insert Khatras into. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the movie (which, I admit is quite possible....).
Actually, Sarek was outraged because, as far as anybody knew at that point, Spock's katra had died with him. Spock couldn't touch Kirk through the leaded glass in Engineering. So Sarek says "All that he was, all that he knew, is lost."
All Kirk and Sarek could reasonably conclude during their meeting was that Spock's body was dead, and for a much longer time than anybody can be revived from. It may be a viable story gimmick for the Genesis effect to regenerate Spock, but that was the furthest thing from Kirk and Sarek's minds. Kirk never suspected it. If he did, why would he have left without Spock in the first place?
[Edit: I cut two paragraphs here because I was mis-remembering how the plot went.]
This is moot now, but as for what they could do with Spock's katra without his body: they would add it to the mind of another Vulcan, obviously. How do Vulcans do it where you come from?
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