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 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

The author of the great books on Star Trek will publish two on Lost in Space with the first being released in early August. The first one is on season one.
Chris

http://jbmj-book-store.myshopify.com/products/lost-in-space-vol-one

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Finally bought the entire series on Blu-ray -- after Amazon lowered the price to just $50 for one day last Monday.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Finally bought the entire series on Blu-ray -- after Amazon lowered the price to just $50 for one day last Monday.
I was going to pull the trigger at that price too but will have to wait, I am sure that price will be back for Xmas.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

When I was a kid I was absolutely obsessed with Lost in Space.

When I caufght up with it again as an adult, I couldn't believe how terrible it was! Seriously, awful, awful stuff which has dated very badly.

The B9 robot remains one of my all time favourite robots - and the FX of the Jupiter II still Ho.d up today. But as for the rest of the show, sorry, it's horrendous.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Cushman's three volumes on Star Trek TOS have a lot of little errors and false assumptions. Their greatest value is in the production memos and other actual documents included with the text. That said, if the LIS book contains behind the scenes memos and so forth, that would be a big deal for serious fans.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 7:20 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Cushman's three volumes on Star Trek TOS have a lot of little errors and false assumptions. Their greatest value is in the production memos and other actual documents included with the text. That said, if the LIS book contains behind the scenes memos and so forth, that would be a big deal for serious fans.

I read the second printing fixed a lot of errors. Those are the ones to own.

As far as LIS, it was always awful even in it's time. It wasn't even campy fun like Batman. However the concept was great. The early episodes are good. The hardware, spaceships, sets and robot were all cool, at least in the first five episodes.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

However the concept was great.

Great for a TV show, which you just said was always awful, or great as an actual, real world endeavor?

Realistically, it's a stupid idea. Sending a family out—with children as young as 10—as the vanguard of an interstellar colonization effort is absurd. Granted, they painted Will and Penny as precociously well educated and trained in practical science and engineering, while Judy "gave up a promising career in musical comedy." The TV announcer also states that the plan is to launch 10 million families per year to offset overpopulation. Space colonization could never offset overpopulation, and an effort so vast would deplete resources more rapidly.

Logic be damned. The show was meant to capitalize on the then-accelerating space race. "To infinity, and beyond!"

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

However the concept was great.

Great for a TV show, which you just said was always awful, or great as an actual, real world endeavor?

Realistically, it's a stupid idea. Sending a family out—with children as young as 10—as the vanguard of an interstellar colonization effort is absurd. Granted, they painted Will and Penny as precociously well educated and trained in practical science and engineering, while Judy "gave up a promising career in musical comedy." The TV announcer also states that the plan is to launch 10 million families per year to offset overpopulation. Space colonization could never offset overpopulation, and an effort so vast would deplete resources more rapidly.

Logic be damned. The show was meant to capitalize on the then-accelerating space race. "To infinity, and beyond!"


It was a believable concept in it's time. Just like in the 50's we all thought there would be flying cars by the 1980's. The family was supposed to be in hibernation until they reached their destination at Alpha Centauri. It was also made clear Alpha Centauri was already colonized, so they weren't so much facing an unknown frontier, but traveling to a pre-settled location.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

When I was a kid I was absolutely obsessed with Lost in Space.

When I caufght up with it again as an adult, I couldn't believe how terrible it was! Seriously, awful, awful stuff which has dated very badly.

The B9 robot remains one of my all time favourite robots - and the FX of the Jupiter II still Ho.d up today. But as for the rest of the show, sorry, it's horrendous.


Agreed. Dramatically, it was little more than Captain Video with better production values, but much of that is due to Irwin Allen's simple-minded approach to entertainment in general. Everything he did was pretty hokey. His best production was probably THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE and the opening scenes of that are horrendous and the rest of the movie really doesn't rise much higher.

As a kid I can remember the visual appeal of "Lost in Space" but that was about all it had. It quickly bored me even as a seven-year-old. I really can't recall watching that many episodes when it was on the network. Probably no more than a dozen or two in its three year run. When the show was cancelled, I doubt I even noticed.

It was in syndication when it was on nearly everyday that I saw most of it, and in the afternoon after school it's sillier aspects were easier to ignore. This was not just the case with "Lost in Space" though. It wasn't until they were in syndication that I got hooked on "Twilight Zone," "The Outer Limits," and even "Star Trek." I can remember when "Star Trek" was on the network. I was a fan of it and didn't want it cancelled and had a model of the Enterprise, but still, I doubt I saw much more than a dozen episodes during its original run.

Anyway, it's mostly nostalgia when I collect this stuff now. The entertainment value it has now is almost entirely limited to that -- and enjoying the production values.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Cushman's three volumes on Star Trek TOS have a lot of little errors and false assumptions. Their greatest value is in the production memos and other actual documents included with the text. That said, if the LIS book contains behind the scenes memos and so forth, that would be a big deal for serious fans.

I read the second printing fixed a lot of errors. Those are the ones to own.

As far as LIS, it was always awful even in it's time. It wasn't even campy fun like Batman. However the concept was great. The early episodes are good. The hardware, spaceships, sets and robot were all cool, at least in the first five episodes.



The first season was the "best". I was in my collecting autographs phase and got a picture of Billy Mummy stamped with his autograph. Don't have it anymore just my Buster Crabbe "Flash" autograph. The first five episodes were promising but it's Irwin Allen, we kinda of knew where it was going.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

The first five episodes were promising but it's Irwin Allen, we kinda of knew where it was going.

I think after the first few episodes originally aired most of the adults in the TV audience started drifting away. It became more of a kid's show after that, but what really hurt it was Allen encouraging Jonathan Harris to take Dr. Smith in an ever more fey and obnoxious direction. It's Dr, Smith and the family putting up with him that makes the show in its last two seasons hard to watch.

Perhaps it might have been a somewhat better show if there hadn't been Dr. Smith.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

The first five episodes were promising but it's Irwin Allen, we kinda of knew where it was going.

I think after the first few episodes originally aired most of the adults in the TV audience started drifting away. It became more of a kid's show after that, but what really hurt it was Allen encouraging Jonathan Harris to take Dr. Smith in an ever more fey and obnoxious direction. It's Dr, Smith and the family putting up with him that makes the show in its last two seasons hard to watch.

Perhaps it might have been a somewhat better show if there hadn't been Dr. Smith.


Agreed. It is said Forbidden Planet was used Shakespeare's The Tempest for part of the plot. What literature did Allen reference? LOL Never watch Disney's Swiss Family Robinson did it have a Smith character type?

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)


Agreed. It is said Forbidden Planet was used Shakespeare's The Tempest for part of the plot. What literature did Allen reference? LOL Never watch Disney's Swiss Family Robinson did it have a Smith character type?


The Disney version? No. I've never read the original story.

Anyway, I watched episodes two and three of the first season this morning and what did I enjoy? The overall look of the production, the old-style SFX and some of the sound effects. The sound effect when they spaceship takes off near the end of episode two is the same one heard when the spaceship crashlands in PLANET OF THE APES. I get a kick out of things like that. I mostly wanted this Blu-ray set for reference to things like that.

I also enjoyed seeing the baby chimp dressed up as "Bloop." I have to wonder what that animal was thinking being made to do that stuff?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2016 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   ScottyM   (Member)

I read the second printing fixed a lot of errors. Those are the ones to own.

There was only a revised second print run of the first season volume. There were some changes, but a lot of those factual errors and assumptions remain and are littered throughout the three volumes. I don't imagine this book will be any more accurate. Cushman's work is sloppy and his research is faulty. As Zap said, if only for the memos, it's worthwhile. But don't take any of Cushman's commentary as gospel.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2016 - 10:32 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I read the second printing fixed a lot of errors. Those are the ones to own.

There was only a revised second print run of the first season volume. There were some changes, but a lot of those factual errors and assumptions remain and are littered throughout the three volumes. I don't imagine this book will be any more accurate. Cushman's work is sloppy and his research is faulty. As Zap said, if only for the memos, it's worthwhile. But don't take any of Cushman's commentary as gospel.


Very disappointing. If I'm not mistaken there was also some accusations they used photographs without permission. Literally grabbing images off the web and printing them, without permission from the copyright holders. Glad I never got around to getting them. I have no need for inaccuracies or falsehoods, nor do I want to spread them.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2016 - 1:13 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

If I'm not mistaken there was also some accusations they used photographs without permission. Literally grabbing images off the web and printing them, without permission from the copyright holders. Glad I never got around to getting them. I have no need for inaccuracies or falsehoods, nor do I want to spread them.


Well, "copyright holders" might be a stretch. As I understand it, Cushman used web-found images of Lincoln Enterprises film clips that had deteriorated badly, been scanned to computer, and restored to like-new condition in Photoshop.

The guys who did the stunning photo restorations, especially startrekhistory.com, were upset about not being asked and not receiving credit for their work. But Paramount would surely argue that you can restore deteriorated Star Trek images to your heart's content, and still not own the copyright.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2016 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

It was also made clear Alpha Centauri was already colonized, so they weren't so much facing an unknown frontier, but traveling to a pre-settled location.

What? Which line are you imagining now? A TV narrator states, "Reaching out into other worlds from our desperately over-crowded planet, a series of deep thrust telescopic probes have conclusively established a planet orbiting the star Alpha Centauri as the only one within range of our technology able to furnish ideal conditions for human existence."

I don't know what the author meant by "deep thrust," but telescopic implies observational evidence, only. In this case, "established" means "accepted", "demonstrated to be true." Nowhere in all of LIS is it "made clear" that the destination is pre-settled. If they were bound for a pre-settled colony, explain the chariot, the robot, the pod and all the other frontier equipment on board.

As for LIS being a believable concept in its time, we still have people today who believe the Apollo landings were faked because they were not technologically possible.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2016 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It was also made clear Alpha Centauri was already colonized, so they weren't so much facing an unknown frontier, but traveling to a pre-settled location.

What? Which line are you imagining now? A TV narrator states, "Reaching out into other worlds from our desperately over-crowded planet, a series of deep thrust telescopic probes have conclusively established a planet orbiting the star Alpha Centauri as the only one within range of our technology able to furnish ideal conditions for human existence."

I don't know what the author meant by "deep thrust," but telescopic implies observational evidence, only. In this case, "established" means "accepted", "demonstrated to be true." Nowhere in all of LIS is it "made clear" that the destination is pre-settled. If they were bound for a pre-settled colony, explain the chariot, the robot, the pod and all the other frontier equipment on board.

As for LIS being a believable concept in its time, we still have people today who believe the Apollo landings were faked because they were not technologically possible.



There's at least one episode where the Robinsons thought they reached Alpha Centauri and John or Dr. Smith got on the radio and tried to make contact with an Earth settlement. This suggests there's already human colonies in that solar system. If they were the first humans to reach Alpha Centaui who were they calling?

Why bring the robot, chariot and space pod? Because they're in the act of colonizing another solar system. They could always use additional equipment when they reach their destination. Things break down.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2016 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   ScottyM   (Member)

Well, that doesn't necessarily mean it was already colonized, but they could have sent an earlier ship (the Jupiter 1, perhaps?) and just expected them to have landed before them. Not that it was all set and ready to move in with lots of folks waiting for them. I could see them having duplicate equipment, in the event something happened to the earlier ship.

The episode you're referring to is "The Promised Planet" in season 3. The show had long before gone off the deep end into comedy and fantasy, so there's really no reason to expect the format and dialog established in the first few minutes of the first episode to apply to the psychedelic groove fest of the later episodes. Each season seemed to pretty much exist on its own anyway, they were so far removed in tone.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2016 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Well, that doesn't necessarily mean it was already colonized, but they could have sent an earlier ship (the Jupiter 1, perhaps?) and just expected them to have landed before them. Not that it was all set and ready to move in with lots of folks waiting for them. I could see them having duplicate equipment, in the event something happened to the earlier ship.

The episode you're referring to is "The Promised Planet" in season 3. The show had long before gone off the deep end into comedy and fantasy, so there's really no reason to expect the format and dialog established in the first few minutes of the first episode to apply to the psychedelic groove fest of the later episodes. Each season seemed to pretty much exist on its own anyway, they were so far removed in tone.


And lets not forget the Jupiter 2 gained a third level, and a Space Pod/Space Pod bay in the third season.

 
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