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I didn't like this film when I originally saw it, and just appreciated the humor. As time has moved on, I find that I hate the film, but love most of the humor. It's a terrible film wrapped in some good crew interactions. The real highlight, Rosenman's terrific score, one of his best.
However I need to copy and paste what I wrote at another message board in regards to the worst villain:
I'd have easily said the Borg queen and the supremely stupid Shinzon, but I think something has in my mind more recently edged them out -- and that's no mean feat considering how utterly shit the aforementioned are.
I know, what in the world could edge those out? The the fallic whale probe (probably soon to be banned from the board like the penisrock, since, well, it looks like a giant...).
At first glance it appears to be nothing more than a probe that simply wanted to re-establish contact with one species of whale (fuck all the other whales, right?). But with broader thought, this is an evil villain.
Think about it. A giant probe -- regardless of whether or not you can say how sophisitcated it is or whether or not there was any life on board -- that dampens and harms life on any vessel nearby yet seems oblivious to it, invades areas of inhabited space without announcing itself or it's intentions, heads straight for the heart of Starfleet, causes terrible window-breaking weather, starts draining the planet of the very habitat the species of whale lives in, while desvestating the planet and causing a planetary distress call.
Never mind that the probe doesn't seem to give a fuck about the other whales in the ocean or other species for that matter, it's destroying the place that species of whale lives in. Even if it found one (arguing in this sake that it wasn't extint) and the whale survived, it would be a small condolence to the species; the ecological habitat would be laid waste, the food supply of the species would be laid waste, and the planet would likely not recover from the event, which could cause massive shifts that would end up killing off the whale, including drastic weather dips from blocked out sun. And what about intelligent life? Never mind that fucking stupid comment from Spock about "human arrogence", what about the arrogence of that alien life? Kill everything else in an attempt to contact one species, including the food and home of that species, in order to brielfy re-establish contact?
Probe: "Hey, you still there?"
Whale (translated for you): "Yeah. Holy shit -- you destroyed my home! And I can't find any food!"
Probe: "Great to hear from you. Bye-bye!" leaves.
Further more, who knows how many other inhabited planets this probe has devistated to re-establish contact with a species of whale, or bird, or rat and so forth. It's an intersteller war machine that kills planets to check up on it's pen pal.
No intelligent, well-meaning, caring race would design such a monster.
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If the purpose of a movie is to entertain, then this one surely delivers ! That's the point, no ?
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If one really wants to be a blasphemous Trekkie, they could say there really wre only three good Trek movies.....
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What I enjoy most about IV are the character developments and the resolution of storylines that began in II. How can you not get a thrill when the crew sees the new Enterprise in space dock. Every time I saw this movie in a theater, that moment made people cheer more than I've ever heard in a Trek audience. There's a lot to love about IV. And thank goodness the Eddie Murphy casting idea didn't happen; I like Eddie, but it would have been an entirely different movie and probably not for the better.
I also like the notion in IV that the "villain" is basically ourselves...
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Jul 26, 2016 - 12:17 PM
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What I enjoy most about IV are the character developments and the resolution of storylines that began in II. How can you not get a thrill when the crew sees the new Enterprise in space dock. Every time I saw this movie in a theater, that moment made people cheer more than I've ever heard in a Trek audience. There's a lot to love about IV. And thank goodness the Eddie Murphy casting idea didn't happen; I like Eddie, but it would have been an entirely different movie and probably not for the better.
I also like the notion in IV that the "villain" is basically ourselves...
I agree, it is a satisfying movie, probably because of being very down to earth, and it ties up some story lines without spelling it out. And I always thought that Catherine Hicks was great casting in this too, I thought she played that part very charmingly and full of compassion, a perfect strong female part to counter Kirk as well.
Gillian and Kirk's interaction was written exceptionally well. They were equals with their own legitimate concerns. Gillian wasn't a Mary Sue, nor was Kirk a chauvinist. Sure, both playfully flirted a bit, but it was charming with no sexual intent. The script didn't demean or over play either character.
Love the reveal of the new Enterprise and the accompanying music was magnificent. But I hate the "A". No reason for it whatsoever.
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Jul 26, 2016 - 4:15 PM
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Mostly for esthetics. I just don't like the look of it. As you said, it should be the Enterprise "B". Also weren't some US ship rebuilt after they sunk, and they gave them the same name without a letter designation? Finally wasn't the "new" Enterprise really the refit Yorktown, and they just changed the name and gave the ship to Kirk?
That's the unofficial, non-canon story (some sources say it was the USS Ti-Ho that was renamed).
I don't know about US Naval tradition....they reuse ship names, sure, but I think the hull numbers are always new. In subsequent shows, Starfleet ships always have new registry numbers for re-used names...the only ship with a letter designation is the Enterprise. There was a scene on TNG where Riker says the USS Yamato's number, NCC-1305-E, but I'm pretty sure that was retconned out in a later episode, and after that every new ship had a new number.
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