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 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

I've been using iTunes to rip and organise my soundtracks collection digitally since 2009. I tend to rip to ALAC for archival purposes and then convert to AAC for use on various media players.

I have had some of my ripped tracks disappear periodically from my drive for no apparent reason and this has caused much irritation over the years. I'm currently using iTunes 11 as I can't stand the way the new version sorts tracks.

Can anyone recommend a free alternative to iTunes that is compatible with AAC and ALAC at least but that has the same or better functionality? I don't want to use FLAC as I understand it does not support album art. I also don't want to go through the pain of converting my whole library again. Has anyone tried Media Monkey? Any comments would be much appreciated.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

I've been ripping my collection to FLAC and using Winamp for organization and playback, and it's been working great for me. FLAC does support album art by the way.

I'm not sure if Winamp can handle AAC or ALAC by default, but I was just able to find an ALAC plug-in for it without too much trouble.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Mr Hand   (Member)

Currently I'm using Foobar2000. Highly customisable, the default theme is very rough but enough for me.

I used to have Amarok on KDE/Linux, great too ; there is a Windows port now but I've not tested it. Clementine is of the same origin and looks less bloated.

Also used MediaMonkey, but abandoned it for Foobar2000, don't remember why. Probably because the free version wasn't enough for me, or because it reminded me to buy too frequently. It's more user friendly though and has a better look.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Are you guys really storing FLAC (or wav) albums on your harddrive? It only takes up, like, a million Gigabytes.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Mr Hand   (Member)

Yep, storing both in FLAC for home listening and lossy ogg/vorbis for nomadism on a NAS.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Wow. With 1500 albums and a measly 500 GB harddrive, I can't afford such luxuries.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Mr Hand   (Member)

Thor, I have 2000+ albums and the FLAC files just fit in 1TB. A good 2TB hard drive is currently something like €80 only (equivalent to 4 albums).

However, I must admit the whole NAS setting *was* pretty expensive, but as it fits my listening habits perfectly, I don't regret it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Use XLD. It is a free program that accurately rips audio and tells you if there are any errors. iTunes will will incorporate any damage right into the rip and will not alert you.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Thor, I have 2000+ albums and the FLAC files just fit in 1TB. A good 2TB hard drive is currently something like €80 only (equivalent to 4 albums).

However, I must admit the whole NAS setting *was* pretty expensive, but as it fits my listening habits perfectly, I don't regret it.


You bought your own file server?

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Mr Hand   (Member)

Yes, an ancestor of this model : https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS216

It comes with an audio player usable on a browser or an app for iOS or Android.

I also use it to store and share my photos.

It could do many other things and meets other needs, very versatile piece of technology.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Wow. With 1500 albums and a measly 500 GB harddrive, I can't afford such luxuries.

I personally fail to see the point of storing lossless albums as well because I'm content with 192-320 kb mp3 rips, but I imagine there are a few audiophiles who swear to lossless storage. Also, storage capacity is not that expensive anymore. As pointed out, you can get a 2 TB external drive for around 100 euro nowadays or even cheaper just buy online storage.

As for the iTunes alternative, I have no idea what else to use. Funny to read that winamp is still around, I grew up with that player, those were the 128 kb days.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Wow. With 1500 albums and a measly 500 GB harddrive, I can't afford such luxuries.

I personally fail to see the point of storing lossless albums as well because I'm content with 192-320 kb mp3 rips, but I imagine there are a few audiophiles who swear to lossless storage. Also, storage capacity is not that expensive anymore. As pointed out, you can get a 2 TB external drive for around 100 euro nowadays or even cheaper just buy online storage.

As for the iTunes alternative, I have no idea what else to use. Funny to read that winamp is still around, I grew up with that player, those were the 128 kb days.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

DP

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Are you guys really storing FLAC (or wav) albums on your harddrive? It only takes up, like, a million Gigabytes.

WAV is uncompressed audio and takes much more drive space than FLAC, which is a lossless compression container format meaning it decompresses back out to the original file (like a zip file). It can be confusing because very few people make the distinction between "uncompressed" and "lossless" for some reason.

Terabyte drives shouldn't give you any problem saving in FLAC. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

I was actually looking into switching to Foobar2000 when I found that Winamp already allowed me to sort my library exactly the way I wanted to, so I stuck with it.

The main reason I'm ripping lossless is that I never want to have to do it again, and with the size of today's hard drives storing lossless files isn't really that bad. I've currently got over 3000 albums, along with a couple hundred DVDs and Blu-rays ripped to MKV and stored on a 3TB NAS drive so I can access them from either my main computer or my HTPC. At this point I've filled up less that two-thirds of the drive's capacity.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2016 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I'm currently converting my entire collection of music to hard disc as well (Apple Lossless as a basis, and AAC files for "to go"). So far, iTunes is the program that best suits my needs. I don't think it's perfect and I'm open to alternatives, but it is what I have been using so far.

ALAC supports album art and even sorting tags (pretty good), though it's still tricky to sort artists correctly (like, in a concerto, you have a solist, sometimes two, a conductor, an orchestra... where do you tag these independently?? Not possible).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2016 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

For ripping I use Exact Audio Copy, then to clean up the tags to match my preference I use a program called Mp3tag. I'm pretty sure Mp3tag has the capability to add additional tags for orchestras and soloists if you wanted to as well.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2016 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Wow. With 1500 albums and a measly 500 GB harddrive, I can't afford such luxuries.

I personally fail to see the point of storing lossless albums as well because I'm content with 192-320 kb mp3 rips, but I imagine there are a few audiophiles who swear to lossless storage.


I do use high quality AAC compressed audio files for mobile and car use, and indeed, I absolutely agree that it is sufficient quality for "on the go".

However, since I find ripping music a lot of work (not the ripping so much as cleaning up the CDbase tagging), and if you rip lossless, you have a perfect copy, you can then convert to AAC or MP3 or any other format you wish, and you only have to tag the music once. You never have to re-rip and tag the music again.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2016 - 11:34 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions, I'm going to try out Media Monkey and Foobar2000.

Apologies for not replying but I was unable to log into FSM for a week due to a wierd javascript error...

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2017 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

I've been using iTunes to rip and organise my soundtracks collection digitally since 2009. I tend to rip to ALAC for archival purposes and then convert to AAC for use on various media players.

I'm very intrigued by the NAS suggestions mentioned here but I'm curious about converting the files. I assume you do this as needed rather than ripping everything in two different forms from the outset?* What program do you favor for converting files to AAC once ripped to ALAC?

* Never forget that I'm a luddite.

 
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