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 Posted:   Aug 10, 2016 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I remember that Rozsa went to court over a theme from THE KILLERS [?] being used in the Dragnet radio and/or TV series.

Are there any other interesting cases involving film music?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2016 - 11:01 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I suppose the most famous of all is one involving Monty Norman, John Barry, and who wrote the James Bond Theme.

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/UK/03/19/bond.theme/

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2016 - 1:02 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Elliot Goldenthal/Tyler Bates - TITUS vs. 300. Didn't that go to court?

[Edit: Sorry, didn't realize David had double-posted this thread when I made my reply. Moderators, feel free to delete this thread!]

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2016 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I believe Les Baxter attempted to sue John Williams over a theme (was it "E.T."?).

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2016 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I believe Les Baxter attempted to sue John Williams over a theme (was it "E.T."?).


http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2000/27_Apr---Baxter_v_Williams_Lawsuit_Recap.asp

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2016 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

Of course there was Ximmer getting sued by the Holst Foundation. To me it was a rip off of course but almost everyone has ripped off Holst including Williams. Zimmer just stepped over the line: http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=638

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2016 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

DIdn't this thread have a lot more posts yesterday?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2016 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

DIdn't this thread have a lot more posts yesterday?


Scroll down and you'll see there are two identically-named threads going on the General Discussion page. Just one of those things. Or maybe *two* of those things...

wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2016 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Cmdr. Bond   (Member)

As a result of seeing this thread, I sought out Baxter's "Joy" for the first time. Man, I get why he sued.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2016 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

most ridiculous of ALL-TIME; LICENCE TO KILL

the opening brass chords are very similar to GOLDFINGER . The composer admitted this, sayng it was an homage to a previous Bond song.
Unfortunately, this minor 'lift' resulted in Barry, Newley/whatsisname to get a share of the credit

!!!!!!!
brm

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2016 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

I remember that Rozsa went to court over a theme from THE KILLERS [?] being used in the Dragnet radio and/or TV series.

Are there any other interesting cases involving film music?


I wonder if the Rozsa estate collects royalties every time those Tums commercials use the "Tum ta Tum Tum" jingle.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2016 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

most ridiculous of ALL-TIME; LICENCE TO KILL

the opening brass chords are very similar to GOLDFINGER . The composer admitted this, sayng it was an homage to a previous Bond song.
Unfortunately, this minor 'lift' resulted in Barry, Newley/whatsisname to get a share of the credi


I don't know any of the specifics here, but just calling something an "homage" doesn't mean you can get away with plagiarism.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2016 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I wonder if the Rozsa estate collects royalties every time those Tums commercials use the "Tum ta Tum Tum" jingle.

Definitely.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2016 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

most ridiculous of ALL-TIME; LICENCE TO KILL

the opening brass chords are very similar to GOLDFINGER . The composer admitted this, sayng it was an homage to a previous Bond song.
Unfortunately, this minor 'lift' resulted in Barry, Newley/whatsisname to get a share of the credi


I don't know any of the specifics here, but just calling something an "homage" doesn't mean you can get away with plagiarism.


Is two notes enough to qualify for plagiarism? If so, shouldn't there be literally thousands of legitimate plagiarism cases in film music?

(This is the Gladys Knight titles song we're talking about here, right?)

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2016 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

most ridiculous of ALL-TIME; LICENCE TO KILL

the opening brass chords are very similar to GOLDFINGER . The composer admitted this, sayng it was an homage to a previous Bond song.
Unfortunately, this minor 'lift' resulted in Barry, Newley/whatsisname to get a share of the credi


I don't know any of the specifics here, but just calling something an "homage" doesn't mean you can get away with plagiarism.


Is two notes enough to qualify for plagiarism? If so, shouldn't there be literally thousands of legitimate plagiarism cases in film music?

(This is the Gladys Knight titles song we're talking about here, right?)


The opening brass fanfare for the title song is basically a paraphrase with specific notes and chords taken from GOLDFINGER. That is all that is similar
I think its ridiculous if you consider that the song is part of an ongoing series copyrighted by one family estate

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2016 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)


Definitely.


Oh, SchiffyM -- you might get a kick out of this. I thought you might have misspelled the word, so I went to Google and searched it and I found this highly amusing thing:

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2016 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I agree that the Licence To Kill case was taking things a bit far. Having said that though, in fairness, it is more than 2 notes and it is fairly obvious that the intention was to rip the Goldfinger opening.

Intention, if you can demonstrate it, has to count for something.

But, you know, Thunderball takes phrases from The James Bond Theme. I don't just mean the opening backing, which is also in Goldfinger, but the opening brass and percussion bars of Thunderball are the opening bars of the bebop section of the James Bond theme. Now, whether or not you belong to the "John Barry really wrote the James Bond theme" camp or not, you could argue Thunderball rips the James Bond theme more than Licence To Kill rips Goldfinger.

So it does get a bit tenuous when you wanna start making arguments over a small cluster of notes.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2016 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Jay Rifkin vs. Hans Zimmer in the early 00s?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2016 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Jay Rifkin vs. Hans Zimmer in the early 00s?

Yeah, I mentioned that one in the other, duplicate thread. Wish there was a way to merge the two.

 
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