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Sep 1, 2016 - 7:25 AM
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johnbijl
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This year, the sale of vinyl records is up again. Dutch newscaster NOS did a small research to why 20-year olds bother to buy LP's.
According to the article, they said 'LP's create a more special the listening experience' and because LP's 'are prettier than CD's'. 'You have something that's tangible,' said one buyer. 'They are little works of art.'
'I've noticed that when you play a CD, you're not actively listening to the music. Putting on a record is more work, it makes you want to sit down and really listen to it,' a salesman added.
Of the 400 questioned (I guess they were allowed to give more than one answer), 69 % gave 'listening experience' as one of the reasons to buy vinyl, 64,5 % named 'beauty' as a factor. 'Collector value' was named third on 51%.
Translations are mine. Full article (in Dutch) here: http://nos.nl/op3/artikel/2128065-dit-is-waarom-twintigers-vinylplaten-kopen.html
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Never again.
I like to listen to my music without the sound of bacon frying.
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They're young. They will learn.
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Oh, I don't "hate" vinyl, and if you want to buy it—no matter your age—more power to you! I'm not going back. I hated the clicks and pops—especially during quiet passages—and was very happy when digital formats eliminated them.
So, again, if vinyl's your thing—go for it. I prefer digital.
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That cartoon nails it pretty much.
I don't buy vinyls anymore, but I used to....until about thirty years ago. :-)
No question that sound quality and convenience (and these days: price) all speak for CDs and against vinyl.
Having said that: I currently have a Technics SL 1200 turntable at my disposal, and it's fun to play some of my old records (even though it confirms that the audio quality is not up to current CD standards).
Yet some folks think it's really cool if you know how to operate and adjust such an ancient device. ;-)
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"What's my excuse?"
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Looks like you don't have one!
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Kids live in three worlds, the past, the future and the present.
The past educates them, sometimes bullies them, but gives them a sense of belonging, even if occasionally stifling.
The present they have to deal with as newborns.
The future belongs to them and carries their blueprints.
I know young people who study old manuscripts of Italian or German fencing because they like a romantic and thinking challenge when they get their exercise too. Some young people dress in 'throwback' clothes to eras they feel they romantically identify with, like the '60s or '80s or even the '50s or '20s, which to THEM is not nostalgia or regressive, but history, and fashions go cyclical. Why do people repair and conserve old motorcycles or vintage cars, or .... it's endless?
Ask veterans what they did in the war, any war. They saw too much and want to forget it, and can't understand why young people would want to go there. If somebody goes through the journey from A to B, and sees all the technical and social advances from A to B, and lived through it, and is happy he arrived at B, he can't identify with the fella born after B who sees that journey as romantic.
So leave them alone, maybe they're even hunting lost fathers in a way. And, I hate to say it, there are albums that sound warmer in vinyl, not just Pavlov conditioning familiar warmer, but warmer because digital sampling hasn't wrecked the timeline of the performance by approximating omitted harmonic subliminal frequencies. Plus, background noise is authentic in a way many don't recognise. And that bloody normalising and bad spreading!
Plus, it's closer to an organic experience, like gardening or cooking or chopping wood. IT is wrecking posture, eyesight ... so many work with computers now that they want an escape from the nerdism .... to actually HANDLE something. And it's how the music was originally to be heard. You all complain about film music re-recordings as 'not definitive' even when they're sonically or aesthetically better or truer to the composer's instructions. So extend the right to this OCD snobbery to the youths.
They're flattering your generation for God's sake, don't fight it, lap it up! Tell them 'I was there!'
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Sep 1, 2016 - 10:04 AM
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bewlay
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I don't mind that vinyl is all the rage yet again, whoever wants in can go for it.
What does bother me though is when labels do 'vinyl only' releases, with no CD or digital version.
I've come across another scenario recently, where a vinyl edition of an album is for sale, with a "bonus CD!" version included as being one of the extra features when you buy the record. Shouldn't it be the other way around, CD with 'bonus vinyl included!", for good nostalgic measure?
I was recently told by one label that 'vinyl is the only format that matters to us' when I asked them why digital/CD versions of their albums were not available on their site. They are releasing all kinds of interesting & obscure library records from the 70s, albums which have never been available in any other format apart from vinyl.
If you are a collector who has a love affair with vinyl & sees no other format as being valid, it affects no one else.
If you are a company releasing these albums to the public, then it's a different matter.
It's the hipster/clique mentality that seems to want to ignore the fact that yes, there are other formats out there that people still use when listening to their music.
Pretending that CDs & digital don't exist, & that 'vinyl is the only way', especially when when you are a company releasing hard to find music, well, makes you a bit of a precious asshole.
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Sep 1, 2016 - 4:12 PM
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MCurry29
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Why do you care? I'm 53 yo and have never stopped buying vinyl-ever. I buy cd's of course, but I refuse to download or any of that crap. Most of you haters are myopic nutters. Kids are certainly not the only folks buying vinyl. People my age and older do and always have as well. I don't believe any 20 somethings are creaming over the latest vinyl reissue/issue of Don Patterson's- Holiday Soul ,Roscoe Holcombe, or Seldon Powell featuring Jimmy Cleveland- Seldon Powell Sextet.
I buy vinyl of my favorite artists where I have the catalogue: PJ Harvey, Bjork, Bowie, St. Vincent, Cliff Martinez, Johann Johannsson, Richard Ashcroft, Bat for Lashes, Lindi Ortega, Ashley Monroe, Jack White, the Kills. Because the vinyl is "special" and beautiful and sounds wonderful to me. Yes, I listen to my records all the time-even if I also bought the CD of any of the aforementioned-which I do as well.
Geeks.
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And it's how the music was originally to be heard.
Music was supposed to be heard performed right in front of you. Film music is supposed to be heard in films.
By this reasoning, we shouldn't buy recorded music at all. And even if we should follow your logic, wax-rolls should be preferred over vinyl.
And oh, most LP's are mastered from a digital source. Some of them, nobody knows how many, are even mastered at the same audio quality as a CD. Even if the (film) music was recorded analogue.
But if you want something tangible, or like LP covers that much, by all means, buy an LP. But please don't say that my listing from a virtual source is a lesser experience. Let alone 'not the way it's supposed to be'.
Of everything I said in that post, you latch onto this one item, the little stuff?
When recording sessions of music bands are done in studios, the sound, and the mixing, and sometimes even the groupings and orchestration are done with an ear open for what it'll sound like in the medium it's meant for. I've even seen studios where, alongside all the hi-tech protools and surround systems and editing boards, there are a pair of old tinny minispeakers just to test how things will sound out there on a knackered car stereo or radio. Even Warner Brothers used to orchestrate in a rich way that meant something in mono deliberately. You only get thinner orchestrations in the late '50s and '60s because stereo enabled that subtlety. Herrmann did it earlier.
It is a fact that occasionally people in the early days of CD couldn't quite figure out how a particular recording, even though it sounded 10 times better than before, suddenly wasn't emotionally as gripping for them. They wrote it off as their maturing tastes. But y'know, the background layer of dark empty sound actually mixes with the music and acts like another layer of texture that nobody notices. Even when it's gone. And it can actually be serendipitous.
Relatives of mine bought an old big horn gramophone for their decor, they're making them again, you wind them up, and they can play old 78s. It's a prop, theatrical. People want to live, not just to sit and stare and listen. Life is 3D. And there IS the Pavlovian thing of how it 'used' to sound, and emotional triggers.
Why the fuss? If you asked Jerry Goldsmith whether he'd like to be remembered in vinyl luxury collectors' issues or as a bloody silly (but a giggle) toy action figure, I'm sure we know what he'd say.
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