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 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

So, I'm hoping we can do this without it becoming a "you suck for your opinion" or a "yeah, that composer sucks" kinda thread.

My intent here is to talk about composers whose work you've tried and tried to like but just cannot "get into." This comes out of a conversation I had earlier today with another frequent poster here. (Anonymity must be maintained unless he wishes to out himself.) And, where appropriate, perhaps post exceptions from this composer that you do like.

For me (gulp), it's Alex North. I. Have. Tried. And. Tried. And it's not because I don't like challenging, dissonant work. I just find his music doesn't get me in the heart where I believe music should. SPARTACUS, THE MISFITS, 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY. All brilliantly composed, there's no question, and yet it just doesn't do it for me. (Exceptions: HARD CONTRACT and DRAGONSLAYER.)

Okay, here goes. Despite my better judgment, I'm hitting "Post Message" now...

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

John Corigliano.

I know, I know... he's all that and a bag of chips. But I like my music to stir my emotions, and I don't get much emotion out of anything I've heard of his. Technically brilliant, no doubt about that. Just not my cup of tea.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

John Corigliano.

I know, I know... he's all that and a bag of chips. But I like my music to stir my emotions, and I don't get much emotion out of anything I've heard of his. Technically brilliant, no doubt about that. Just not my cup of tea.


Any Corigliano that you do like, Matt? I actually don't know any of his scores, although I should. Hasn't he only done a handful?

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

I think Altered States is pretty powerful, and it's lack of emotion works for the film / score... so that's probably my "favorite" per se. But The Red Violin, Revolution, etc... all universally lauded and acclaimed by what seems like everyone, don't do much for me personally. Maybe some day, I suppose.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

I think Altered States is pretty powerful, and it's lack of emotion works for the film / score... so that's probably my "favorite" per se. But The Red Violin, Revolution, etc... all universally lauded and acclaimed by what seems like everyone, don't do much for me personally. Maybe some day, I suppose.

I haven't seen any of those films, oddly enough. I dislike William Hurt for the same reason you cite as disliking Corigliano (lack of emotion), so I haven't bothered to see ALTERED STATES. And REVOLUTION is a subject matter I've never been interested in, so I haven't seen that either. As for THE RED VIOLIN, well, I just don't like violins.*









* This is a lie. I do like violins. I actually have no good reason for not having seen this film. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)

It's interesting you've mentioned Corigliano. I generally like his work, but some of the stuff I find too aggressive/barbaric, even for my taste.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

And not only do I understand your feelings about Alex North, I know a lot of people who share them. I'm not over the moon about him, but I did grow up loving Dragonslayer as a movie, so my love for the score is tied to that. Spartacus is pretty great too, especially that love theme. But what do I know. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

And I agree with you. I can say with complete intellectual certainty that SPARTACUS' themes, including the love theme (one of the most indelible love themes of all time) are classics. I just can't connect to them. Silly me, no doubt.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Filmmaker   (Member)

I will say people's enthusiasm for Danny Elfman escapes me. Other than his BATMAN theme, I find every single thing he does instantly forgettable. Loved him as the frontman for Oingo Boingo, though, and wish he'd never left that role.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

This is a topic that pops up with infrequent intervals.

Of the people working right now -- Michael Giacchino and Alexandre Desplat. Everyone goes ga-ga over them, and despite numerous attempts, I've yet to connect with them on a musical level (except maybe one or two things in their career).

Of other 'big shots', I had problems with both Bernard Herrmann and John Barry for many years, but have started to warm to them over the last decade and a half. Herrmann moreso than Barry, but I've grown more and more fond of the Englisman's lush themes (my negative view on his suspense/action material still stands).

I can't make myself properly dig Max Steiner, although he has some scores I'm fond of.

And Leonard Rosenman -- what the hell was up with that? I don't get it.

There are more, but those are some off the top of my head.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

I will say people's enthusiasm for Danny Elfman escapes me. Other than his BATMAN theme, I find every single thing he does instantly forgettable. Loved him as the frontman for Oingo Boingo, though, and wish he'd never left that role.

I am certainly more of a fan of early Elfman... Pee Wee, Batman, Beetlejuice, etc... than his latter day work. There are a few exceptions like Alice In Wonderland, but yeah... I agree.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Alex North definitely gets a vote from me. Just don't get the popularity at all. I also think there are a handful of Goldsmith scores that just aren't interesting that everyone else seems to lose their minds over (Total Recall especially - Seriously, I just don't. Get. IT!).

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

This is a topic that pops up with infrequent intervals.

Of the people working right now -- Michael Giacchino and Alexandre Desplat. Everyone goes ga-ga over them, and despite numerous attempts, I've yet to connect with them on a musical level (except maybe one or two things in their career).

Of other 'big shots', I had problems with both Bernard Herrmann and John Barry for many years, but have started to warm to them over the last decade and a half. Herrmann moreso than Barry, but I've grown more and more fond of the Englisman's lush themes (my negative view on his suspense/action material still stands).

I can't make myself properly dig Max Steiner, although he has some scores I'm fond of.

And Leonard Rosenman -- what the hell was up with that? I don't get it.

There are more, but those are some off the top of my head.


I get it, Thor. Not with Giacchino, whose work I find beautifully versatile, but definitely with Desplat. Keep trying to listen to my copy of GODZILLA, hoping I'll grow more fond of it, but though it's certainly a pleasant listen I find it just doesn't "go" anywhere for me. Interesting thoughts on Rosenman, too. For someone who was so fond of himself, his work certainly all feels very similar. I happen to, for the most part, like his music, but I get where you're coming from.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

Total Recall especially - Seriously, I just don't. Get. IT!

Funny you mention Total Recall... the original 40 minute Varese album was one of the first Goldsmiths I ever bought, and I played that thing constantly. BUT as far as the recent expansions and rereleases go, I don't think I've made my way through them in their entirety once. It's definitely a score that benefits from the whole "less-is-Thor" mentality.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Bruce Broughton and Marco Beltrami really don't do anything for me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

Bruce Broughton and Marco Beltrami really don't do anything for me.

And you're familiar with Tombstone? Just curious.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I also get why people mention Alex North. His abrasive style can be very challenging at times (I could never take more than 40-50 minutes of SPARTACUS -- a score that everyone and their grandmother seem to worship). But then he whips out something as gloriously beautiful as THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY -- which is in my Top 50 of all time.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Bruce Broughton and Marco Beltrami really don't do anything for me.

And you're familiar with Tombstone? Just curious.


I have Silverado. Thought it was... nice. Gave kinda up on the composer after that.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Bruce Broughton and Marco Beltrami really don't do anything for me.

And you're familiar with Tombstone? Just curious.


I have Silverado. Thought it was... nice. Gave kinda up on the composer after that.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2016 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   bagby   (Member)

For me, outside of Bond, it's John Barry.

 
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