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 Posted:   Oct 20, 2016 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Don Norman   (Member)

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Three of the greatest movies and scores screening at the Aero Theatre in Santa Monica this weekend in 70mm. This theatre has better projection and sound than the Egyptian Theatre IMO.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2016 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I can't quite discern Vertigo as being great. It falls just a little short. The other two films are great. The problem is that the Stewart character is laden with those aspects of character one would label as being of a cheap and tawdry nature. He'd normally be someone to be seen with admiration as a responsible and upright citizen, but only if his internal thoughts and foibles are kept out of the limelight, not to mention his failure doing his job. Which they are not in Vertigo. Of course, that is the point of the story isn't it? To indicate that people can come to a cusp where everything they've done while being forthright and true most of the time can be shot down in a moment or two of weakness, if subsequently given public exposure.

OK, you can argue that this aspect has nothing to do with the overall film package, which delivers a movie with more than just a story, because the character baggage is a bit more excessive than usual. But Hitch always looked at the darker side of human nature and the film is a damning insight into how he really saw people around himself. So whenever I encounter Vertigo, I see and hear the toilet flush.

Lawrence does the same thing in exposing character flaws, however, it does so without overtly pulling on the handle.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2016 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I can't quite discern Vertigo as being great. Vertigo falls just a little short. The other two films are great. The problem is that the Stewart character is laden with those aspects of character one would label as being of a cheap and tawdry nature. He'd normally be someone to be seen with admiration as a responsible and upright citizen, but only if his internal thoughts and foibles are kept out of the limelight, not to mention his failure doing his job. Which they are not in Vertigo. Of course, that is the point of the story isn't it? To indicate that people can come to a cusp where everything they've done while being forthright and true most of the time can be shot down in a moment or two of weakness, if subsequently given public exposure.

OK, you can argue that this aspect has nothing to do with the overall film package, which delivers a movie with more than just a story, because the character baggage is a bit more excessive than usual. But Hitch always looked at the darker side of human nature and the film is a damning insight into how he really saw people around himself. So whenever I encounter Vertigo, I see and hear the toilet flush.

Lawrence does the same thing in exposing character flaws, however, it does so without overtly pulling on the handle.


Goodness, I finally found someone that agrees with me.

Vertigo is not a great movie, at best a good movie. Both Rear Window and North by Northwest are vastly superior movies. It does fall flat, whole stretches of it are very dull and parts of it are oddly pointless psychiatric oddities that never pay off. The terribly fake rear projections and paintings and oddly structured romance angle date the whole thing. It is an interesting film, and it is curious to see Jimmy Stewart as not a good or normal guy, basically a nutcase. But Vertigo is not a complete movie, and it is very unsatisfying. And when the occasional "best movies ever" lists come around and they put Vertigo (and Gone with the Wind) on those lists - again, I just shake my head.

West Side Story - well, I struggle with musicals a bit - but that is just me.
But Wise was a great director that was under appreciated.

Lawrence of Arabia is indeed superb in every way -it remains a stunning achievement, gorgeous, deep and relevant today as it was the year it was made.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2016 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I think what Hitchcock did with Vertigo, was to take the viewer completely out of their comfort zone as a human being. In this sense, the vertigo of the clinical variety is not the main focus, although this is visually woven into the story, but that we are meant to be repulsed and shocked in the vertiginous look at ourselves. You can be repulsed by and feel sympathy in opposing views with the Stewart character at various times during the movie, so people are judged as shades of grey in the Hitchcock palette.

Some may find this is what makes it great, and I can understand that aspect.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2016 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I think what Hitchcock did with Vertigo, was to take the viewer completely out of their comfort zone as a human being. In this sense, the vertigo of the clinical variety is not the main focus, although this is visually woven into the story, but that we are meant to be repulsed and shocked in the vertiginous look at ourselves. You can be repulsed by and feel sympathy in opposing views with the Stewart character at various times during the movie, so people are judged as shades of grey in the Hitchcock palette.

Some may find this is what makes it great, and I can understand that aspect.


thank you, interesting discussion my friend

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   TruPretender   (Member)

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Three of the greatest movies and scores screening at the Aero Theatre in Santa Monica this weekend in 70mm. This theatre has better projection and sound than the Egyptian Theatre IMO.


Hello Don!

I am heavily involved with the Cinematheque! Thank you for the shout out. It's wonderful patrons like yourself that keep us in business with our film prints.

The beautiful thing too, about these 35mm and 70mm prints is that many of them are MAG track, or DOLBY mixed with offer different sound mixes of the films' scores that aren't available any other way.

I'll try to be down for Vertigo (Look for that 70s guy!) but unfortunately I won't be able to make LoA or WSS.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)



I think VERTIGO is a great movie, great in that it creates a wonderful hypnotic affect on the willing viewer (note I say willing). It's one of the best movie mood pieces ever created, a celluloid dream state. But like dreams, as narrative, it's an illogical mess.

 
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