Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Bespin   (Member)

Hi,

I hate when labels do that!

First, I find it disrespectfull for the artists. Those couplings make them look like second-rate artists.

Then, as an archivist who have documented some discographies on the web (on Wikipedia and on my own websites), I found those releases not always easy to handle...

And you, what are your thoughts about that?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

First, I find it disrespectfull for the artists. Those couplings make them look like second-rate artists.

Then, as an archivist who have documented some discographies on the web (on Wikipedia and on my own websites), I found those releases not always easy to handle...

And you, what are your thoughts about that?


Hi, Bespin.

Are you referring to the pairing of 2 LP programs whose music was not written by the same composer such as George Duning's Any Wednesday coupled with Not with My Wife, You Don't! and other FSM discs which pair John Williams with Mancini, Schifrin or Quincy Jones?
If so, are you implying that Duning, Jones, Mancini & Schifrin all appear as 2nd rate artists when sharing disc space with Williams?

Regarding these types of albums, I agree that their album programs are not the easiest to place in a sorting order. Does one alphabetize the album by only one of the 2 film titles ... or by only one of the two composer names?
The solution I've used for my own personal database is to record the album information by label name, and create multiple entries per that album's product ID/serial #.
Thus, FSM's 1103 has one entry for Duning's Wreck of the Mary Deare, The and another for Green's Twilight of Honor

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

Yep,
Databasing helps.

But you also have to realize,
On CD is better than NO CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Hi,

I hate when labels do that!


OK, from now on we'll break them into two discs and charge you $20 for each. Will that satisfy you?

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   David Ferstat   (Member)

I don't like the habit either. As someone who thinks like a librarian, I like to be able to sort my CDs, like my books, alphabetically by composer/author, and CDs from multiple composers, like the old Ace Doubles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Books#1952:_Ace_Doubles_concept) confound this ambition.

However, in both industries, economics beats cataloguing.


Besides, in this modern age, I don't listen to CDs anymore. I buy the CD, then rip it to MP3 (please, don't anybody start on about file formats; it's off-topic) and then listen to the music on my phone. This way, it's easy enough to split the album.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Bespin   (Member)

Are you referring to the pairing of 2 LP programs whose music was not written by the same composer such as George Duning's Any Wednesday coupled with Not with My Wife, You Don't! and other FSM discs which pair John Williams with Mancini, Schifrin or Quincy Jones?

Exactly.

If you have a John Williams CD collection and a George Duning CD collection, in which section do you archive this CD?

That's a little bit the same when you document a discography... what would normally be a "studio" album or a reissue, become a sort of "various artist compilation", just because of the odd coupling... Not a straight reissue... Not a John Williams album... Not a George Duning album either. What is it???

Why don'y they just put "We made a contract with Warner Bros" in big on the cover?

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

OCD is the new black.

In the classical music world, the grouping of several works by different composers is not, nor has ever been, 'disrespectful'. If anything it implies parity of their talents. Harry Janos is routinely paired with Lt. Kije for reasons of genre, mood, and subject matter.

Sane folk organise CDs by CD title, whether using a database or not. Apollo the organiser gives way to Boris the buttock clencher the world over now, since IT programmers took over.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 7:07 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


If you have a John Williams CD collection and a George Duning CD collection, in which section do you archive this CD?


Not all of us sort solely by artist name.

For example, the CD in the example would be easy for me to file.

A CD by a single artist with a diverse sampling of films would be more difficult for me to file.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

"Hey, you've got Williams on my George Duning CD!"
"And you've got Duning on my John William's CD!"

Two great composers that sound great together, now on...

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 9:34 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

^ Laughed out loud at that. Kudos!

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 9:48 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)


If you have a John Williams CD collection and a George Duning CD collection, in which section do you archive this CD?


When it comes to those FSM CDs that pair two scores by different composers, I usually just put it in the section of the composer I like more, or one whose section needs "beefing up". I always flip the cover art around to the "B" side if it's by the composer who comes second on the disc, as well. For compilations that have more than two composers (like most TV sets), they just go in the "Miscellaneous" section, unless one full disc is given over to one composer's work, like the FSM Dr. Kildare set (in the Jerry Goldsmith section).

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2016 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Simple solution. Buy two copies of the CD.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2016 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   Bespin   (Member)

In the classical music world, the grouping of several works by different composers is not, nor has ever been, 'disrespectful'.

We are not talking about the same thing. The composers are one thing yes, but there is the conductor, the performer too. When Karajan records an album containing a Mozart's work and a Beethoven's work it's a Karajan album. And if it's a collection of already issued recordings using different sources, then it's a various artist compilation.

I think we will never see on DG a coupling of a Karajan original album with a Kleiber one.

Remember in the case of John Williams, that we are facing a case where the composer have always, except few minor cases in his disco, conducted his own music.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2016 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Simple solution. Buy two copies of the CD.

Indeed. Why make everyone else pay double price for your music classification rules.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2016 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

OCD is the new black.

I'm all for admitting our individual daftness. Just the other day I was on about my foot fetish (or something). Get it out in the open!

In my case it doesn't matter about a two-composer pairing, especially if I like the two. I'm not so meticulous in my "filing" anyway, and my collection is small enough that I usually find things quickly. But there have been occasions when I have decided against buying a two-fer because of not liking the "other"score. The crazy thing is (this is the psychiatrist's couch, isn't it?) I might have bought the stand-alone "good" score even at 30 to 40 minutes.

That has happened even with two scores from the same composer. There's something aesthetically unpleasant to my senses about having SECONDS paired with I.Q. for instance. Just admitting my daftness here - no criticism of the labels who do deals with one studio to get two things out together.

Exaggerating again to get my point across, I think that if THE REINCARNATION OF PETER PROUD was discovered and paired with the Season 10 music of "T.J. Hooker" (music by Sheldon McDumpling and Gazza Phukrott), I'd kind of wish that Peter Proud were on his own.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2016 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Simple solution. Buy two copies of the CD.

Wouldn't want to do that. Might get accused of "speculating".
wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2016 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Hi,

I hate when labels do that!


OK, from now on we'll break them into two discs and charge you $20 for each. Will that satisfy you?


thats funny onya.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2016 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)


ON CD is better than NO CD.


i like this. And i want to pinch this succinct catchphrase and post it liberally around the forum as though it were me who made it up. smile

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2016 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I guess I understand how this could be frustrating if organizing your collection is very important to you. But disrespectful to the composers? That, I really can't see, unless you feel the composer expects we should all have archives in our homes devoted to them and them alone, uncontaminated by anybody else.

As for me, the practice has introduced me to some scores I would never have heard had they not been conjoined with a score I knew I wanted. So I'm all for it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2016 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


If you have a John Williams CD collection and a George Duning CD collection, in which section do you archive this CD?


At the end in a separate section.

thing yes, but there is the conductor, the performer too. When Karajan records an album containing a Mozart's work and a Beethoven's work it's a Karajan album. And if it's a collection of already issued recordings using different sources, then it's a various artist compilation.


I...fail to see how this is different? I have a number of CDs where there are multiple composers with multiple 'artists' performing them. But they aren't compilations any more than the score examples you're giving are.
A good example, Khachaturian's Gayaneh/Sparatcus, conducted by the composer at that. couples with Galzunov's The Seasons conducted by Ansermet.
Or Khachaturian (again yes) Violin Concerto conducted by Monteux coupled with Alexander Nevsky conducted by Reiner.
(And all are different orchestras too of course)

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2024 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.
Website maintained and powered by Veraprise and Matrimont.