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 Posted:   Dec 17, 2016 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

As warned in the thread title SPOILERS ahead. What a mess this film is.

Rouge One ends with a climatic space battle between the Empire and the Rebel fleet.
The Rebels consist of both human and alien characters seen in the other films.

Darth Vader tries to prevent the Rebels from escaping with the Death Star plans by boarding a ship that has Princess Leia and her ship the Blockade Runner docked inside of it! What? Why is Princess Leia hiding inside a ship that purposely went out to battle the Empire? Meanwhile we cut to a cameo of C3PO and R2D2 who are on the Rebel Base on the fourth Moon of Yavin. No where near the battle nor on the Blockade Runner.

Cut back to Darth Vader he attacks the rebel ship and tries to stop the Blockage Runner from escaping. He fails. The film ends with someone handing Princess Leia a hard copy of the Death Star plans.

So A New Hope Literally starts five minutes after the end of Rouge One. Darth Vader chases after the Blockade Runner and boards it. C3PO and R2D2 are on board and C3PO has no idea why they are being boarded. What? He was just at the Rebel base observing the previous battle and how did he and R2D2 get on board?

Darth Vader confronts Leia and she says “We’re are on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan”. What? You and the entire rebel fleet were fighting the Empire and Darth Vader five minutes ago and he saw you escape!

Then Darth Vader says, “Several Transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies”. What? In Rouge One Princess Leia was handed a hard copy of the Death Star plans just five minutes ago. There were no transmissions to the Blockade Runner.

Finally Rebel aliens are seen both at the Rebel base and fighting the Empire in Rouge One. Yet in A New Hope there are no aliens on the Rebel base and none helped in destroying the Death Star. Where did they go?

That's just what I can remember off the top of my head...

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2016 - 8:11 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Sounds better than Prometheus.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2016 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Rouge is something a woman puts on her face. smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2016 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Rouge is something a woman puts on her face. smile

Haha! Oh crap. Guess I got it confused with Moulin Rogue. big grin Fixed the thread title, but I'll leave my goofs in the body of my post.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 12:34 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

As I remember it, R2D2's and C3PO's cameo was before the Rebel fighters took off for Eado, not before the fleet left for Scariff. However, I may have missed a second cameo.

As for Leia's 'diplomatic mission' statement, that would have been a lie to protect the ship. Like using diplomatic immunity on Earth to avoid being charged with crimes.

The transmissions to the ship do work in the sense that Vader 'could' have been referring to the transmissions in general being aimed at the ship that contained the blockade runner. He wouldn't have known or cared that the transmissions were initially received by the containing ship, and might have believed quite reasonably that they were received by the blockade runner.

I don't get the feeling there were many, if any, significant continuity errors between R1 and ANH, they fit together pretty well IMO.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, Ian beat me to it. I've seen some discussions about this, but I honestly don't see any continuity errors, at least none that stick out.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I don't get the feeling there were many, if any, significant continuity errors between R1 and ANH, they fit together pretty well IMO.

The whole point of the thread is to discuss continuity errors, regardless of significance. I havent seen the film, but Solium has assembled quite a number of them. I dont think an audience should have to make up excuses to hide them.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

As I remember it, R2D2's and C3PO's cameo was before the Rebel fighters took off for Eado, not before the fleet left for Scariff. However, I may have missed a second cameo.

As for Leia's 'diplomatic mission' statement, that would have been a lie to protect the ship. Like using diplomatic immunity on Earth to avoid being charged with crimes.

The transmissions to the ship do work in the sense that Vader 'could' have been referring to the transmissions in general being aimed at the ship that contained the blockade runner. He wouldn't have known or cared that the transmissions were initially received by the containing ship, and might have believed quite reasonably that they were received by the blockade runner.

I don't get the feeling there were many, if any, significant continuity errors between R1 and ANH, they fit together pretty well IMO.


Regarding the droids, I'll stand corrected if I'm mistaking the timeline of events. That's how I remember it.

Leia's "lie" makes no sense in context of what happens in Rogue One. She was there, Darth tried to board her ship. It's the worst lie in diplomatic history and makes her look like an idiot.

Regarding no transmissions, it will be excused by saying he was metaphorically speaking. LOL
(Just like Ben lied to Luke about Vader killing his father)

There's also the fact they made it a point to say in A New Hope the Death Star just became operational. Firing on Alderaan was the first test of the weapon. In Rogue One the Death Star was shooting every planet in site. I know I know, those were mini tests. roll eyes

They could've avoided all these problems by not having Darth Vader*, Princess Leia or the Blockade Runner in the film at all. It should have focused on the Rebels finding the Death Star plans. Of course what Garth filmed was NOT a Star Wars film, so Disney probably got cold feet and forced all this stuff in later. (That's my speculation)

* Actually I would have Darth Vader as the main villain in the film. You didn't need that other worthless character. The cameo appearance feels like a marketing decision.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Of course what Garth filmed was NOT a Star Wars film, so Disney probably got cold feet and forced all this stuff in later. (That's my speculation)

Makes sense, but can anyone confirm these were the additions that came later?

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Of course what Garth filmed was NOT a Star Wars film, so Disney probably got cold feet and forced all this stuff in later. (That's my speculation)

Makes sense, but can anyone confirm these were the additions that came later?


I haven't read anything that backs that up, but Darth Vader's appearance, especially at the end was complete fan service and came out of no where. It felt tacked on. Then you have Grand Moff Tarkin and Princess Leia who are completely post production CGI creations!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I haven't read anything that backs that up, but Darth Vader's appearance, especially at the end was complete fan service and came out of no where. It felt tacked on. Then you have Grand Moff Tarkin and Princess Leia who are completely post production CGI creations!

All the symptoms of a bad case of Prequelitis. Will they never learn?

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I haven't read anything that backs that up, but Darth Vader's appearance, especially at the end was complete fan service and came out of no where. It felt tacked on. Then you have Grand Moff Tarkin and Princess Leia who are completely post production CGI creations!

All the symptoms of a bad case of Prequelitis. Will they never learn?


And they were horribly creepy and unrealistic. Why do fans just buy into this stuff? If they could do it convincingly that's one thing. But they looked like characters out of Polar Express. It was a total WTF moment.

Edit: Here's another pointless scene that also screws with continuity. The ugly pig nosed alien that shoves Luke to the ground in the Cantina scene makes a cameo appearance on another planet that got blown up five minutes later.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I haven't read anything that backs that up, but Darth Vader's appearance, especially at the end was complete fan service and came out of no where. It felt tacked on. Then you have Grand Moff Tarkin and Princess Leia who are completely post production CGI creations!

Yeah, but the really important thing is not rendering the Death Star as a shiny water melon. I take it they haven't improved on Jeff Bridges Tron Legacy appearance? Now, both Leia and Tarkin can appreciate the 'foul stenches' they each bring on board. smile

Edit: Here's another pointless scene that also screws with continuity. The ugly pig nosed alien that shoves Luke to the ground in the Cantina scene makes a cameo appearance on another planet that got blown up five minutes later.

But didn't that character intimidate Luke by bragging he had the "death sentence" in several different systems? Looks like the Empire mopped him up on the cheap.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I haven't read anything that backs that up, but Darth Vader's appearance, especially at the end was complete fan service and came out of no where. It felt tacked on. Then you have Grand Moff Tarkin and Princess Leia who are completely post production CGI creations!

Yeah, but the really important thing is not rendering the Death Star as a shiny water melon. I take it they haven't improved on Jeff Bridges Tron Legacy appearance? Now, both Leia and Tarkin can appreciate the 'foul stenches' they each bring on board. smile

Edit: Here's another pointless scene that also screws with continuity. The ugly pig nosed alien that shoves Luke to the ground in the Cantina scene makes a cameo appearance on another planet that got blown up five minutes later.

But didn't that character intimidate Luke by bragging he had the "death sentence" in several different systems? Looks like the Empire mopped him up on the cheap.


Yes, but this is before he met Luke on Tatooine! Kinda of a paradox thing going on here. wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Yes, but this is before he met Luke on Tatooine! Kinda of a paradox thing going on here. wink

There's also the Kenobi lightsabre incident in the Mos Eisley cantina, although, I think the severed arm belonged to an alien 'fuzzball' character who was in league with the thug pressing Luke into a corner. Did they get blown up too?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Leia's "lie" makes no sense in context of what happens in Rogue One. She was there, Darth tried to board her ship. It's the worst lie in diplomatic history and makes her look like an idiot.

Leia does not see or meet daddy Vader at the end of ROGUE ONE, only that the bigger rebel ship is being attacked by Imperial forces, so they have to flee. So the lie DOES make sense, as a last (albeit desperate) attempt to talk her way out the situation.

Regarding no transmissions, it will be excused by saying he was metaphorically speaking. LOL
(Just like Ben lied to Luke about Vader killing his father)


I see no issues with this 'transmissions' thing. First of all, the transmission IS the circuit board (in the clunky 70s tech they're nurturing), second, the transmission IS sent to the big Rebel ship, and at the time of transmission, Leia's ship is part of it.

There's also the fact they made it a point to say in A New Hope the Death Star just became operational. Firing on Alderaan was the first test of the weapon. In Rogue One the Death Star was shooting every planet in site. I know I know, those were mini tests. roll eyes

Yeah, I see no issues with this either. In ROGUE ONE, they make it perfectly clear that they're holding off on the big 'planet' kill, which we then see for the first time in ANH.

They could've avoided all these problems by not having Darth Vader*, Princess Leia or the Blockade Runner in the film at all. It should have focused on the Rebels finding the Death Star plans. Of course what Garth filmed was NOT a Star Wars film, so Disney probably got cold feet and forced all this stuff in later. (That's my speculation)

I disagree. I think it's crucial to make the link to the opening of ANH with all the characters that that entails.

I have my own issues with the film (it's an OK affair), but continuity is NOT one of them.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I have my own issues with the film (it's an OK affair)

And not worth arguing over. What are you, a bunch of Sci-fi movie nerd geeks?

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I disagree. I think it's crucial to make the link to the opening of ANH with all the characters that that entails.

Your command of english is very good, Thor, so please don't get me wrong. I think you can say it like this - "I disagree. I think it's crucial to make the link to the opening of ANH with all the characters that entails."

Although both forms make sense to me, the single "that" is not only more economical, it sounds better when spoken and when read. If I was speaking using the single "that", then I'd probably linger on the world for slightly greater emphasis and to encompass the fact I would otherwise have said "that that." I'm far from being in the know on such grammatical usage, but that's my take on things. Do as you will. wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

And not worth arguing over. What are you, a bunch of Sci-fi movie nerd geeks?

For richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health . . . so help me Gawd!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2016 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I disagree. I think it's crucial to make the link to the opening of ANH with all the characters that that entails.

Your command of english is very good, Thor, so please don't get me wrong. I think you can say it like this - "I disagree. I think it's crucial to make the link to the opening of ANH with all the characters that entails."

Although both forms make sense to me, the single "that" is not only more economical, it sounds better when spoken and when read. If I was speaking using the single "that", then I'd probably linger on the world for slightly greater emphasis and to encompass the fact I would otherwise have said "that that." I'm far from being in the know on such grammatical usage, but that's my take on things. Do as you will. wink


Thanks for the tip. It's a holdover from Norwegian grammar.

 
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