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Jan 17, 2017 - 4:52 PM
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Marisco
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I was wondering if the 1987 (or 1990 with 16 tracks) album from Superman: The Movie sounds any different than what we could listen in the LP releases and what we already have in both Rhino (2000) and the Blue-Box. Someone posted this review: ******* Every one today knows the name of John Williams and his continuing legacy. This is one of the most iconic movie scores of all time and almost every kid in the world has heard this music. I'am no exception. While clearly there are other expanded and complete score recordings of this sound track, what we have here is the the first time the original 2 LP set was successfully produced on cd by Warner Bros Japan division. The regular US edition omitted 2 tracks Lex Luthors Lair and Growing Up. Both of these cues are included here as in the original program. This cd set maintains the integrity of the original LP sound mix. It has its pros and cons but from a nostalgic point of view this pretty much replicates the original LP experience. Luckily no compression was used in its remastering so it does have some more oomph in the sound here. Although I was lucky to find a sealed copy online via Amazon market place this cd version is apparently OOP. The regular cd and the 2cd set from Rhino and Superman The Music Box set with more a high quality definitive version is still available. From a totally nostalgic point of view and experience this is pure fun. ******* But it doesn't help me very much to understand how it sounds different. As for this album: http://imgur.com/a/NAIN9 It's either hard to find or very expensive. I only have these MP3 files with me: http://imgur.com/a/45K78 And it's impossible to find these days this japanese album with Superman 2 and 3: http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/27796/Superman+III Identified as Warner-Pioneer WPCP 3860. Again I only found Superman 3 MP3 files (they must have been extracted from it, because they don't sound like they were ripped from any LP), I remember that Superman 2 tracks (very likely from it, too) were also posted on the internet, but nowadays they are nowhere to be found. One of these days I even found some tracks in FLAC from a Back to the Future LP, but nothing from any Superman movie. It's a shame because this is one of my favorite soundtracks... and like I said, I am interested in knowing how this can sound different if we check older releases. With this I am not saying newer versions are not good, I am merely saying they are different. If different for better or worse I don't think I am fully qualified to decide. P.S. The Superman: The Movie album from 1990 (or the 1987 US release) are listed here: http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/2552/Superman More insights about Supergirl (taken from this board): ********* The reason why the Varese is held in such high regard is because it uses several alternate takes and mixes the electronics differently; as a listening experience, it is supposed to be much superior to the expanded Silva edition. I have only ever heard the Silva disc, and I have to say that while I enjoy the score, I do feel that it does go on a long time. The only reason I've never gotten the Varese disc is because it is kind of hard to find. I would, though, if it were to become available at a decent price. ********* But the problem is that the SILVA CD that I produced is the score that is heard in the film itself... Over the years a number of unfounded myths have arisen regarding this release and the SILVA edition. The SILVA EDITION contains all of the cues that appeared on the VARESE edition, the major difference is that VARESE used raw monitor mixes that were marked DO NOT USE-NOT FINAL MIXES, SILVA SCREEN used the final mixes of the cues that Goldsmith delivered to the producers. We did not alter them in any way as some have claimed in the past. We used the final composer approved 2 Track Stereo Mixes that were deliverered to the producers by Mr. Goldsmith himself and represent the score as heard in the final dubbed version. The Monster Storm cue is the same recording that appeared on the VARESE release, however it was remixed by the composer and his engineer and the synth elements were added by Mr. Goldsmith for the final film. These represent the soundtrack as it appeared in the original international release of the film when it first appeared in 1984. When the movie was released in North America, it was reedited for a shorter running time and Goldsmith was called back to re-record the Main Title and End Credits,as well as the FLYING BALLET cues to fit this shorter running time. As for this claim that the extra music wasn't needed, I just dismiss it. The reason I wanted an expanded release out was because I was unhappy that the VARESE edition left out major portions of the score, such as the entire end of the film.... If you can point to the cues you don't think should be there, go ahead. I'll leave it up to the listener to judge the merits of both releases, however the odd thing is that if I hadn't produced the SILVA edition, the same folks who bitch about it I have no doubt would be bitching that a longer version doesn't exist (except for Thor..). ********* Speaking as somebody who considers Supergirl one of the very BEST Goldsmith scores, I am delighted to have BOTH albums. The expanded Silva CD is absolutely essential. The extra music most definitely IS needed - look no further than the extraordinary Phantom Zone material. I remember how absolutely delighted I was when I heard it was being done. I do have some slight issues with it though: 1. Some of the shorter tracks are joined together. Some combinations work ("Chicago Lights/Street Attack") but some don't ("Where Is She?/The Monster Bumper Cars"). Snappy, stand-alone cues like "Where Is She?" work much better when they're sequenced separately and allowed space to breath (see the Varese disc). 2. There's a mysterious 9 second gap between, if memory serves, tracks 15 and 16. Not a biggie, just a nuisance. 3. I'd have preferred the two alternate tracks ("Flying Ballet" and "The Map") sequenced at the end. Putting them slap in the middle disrupts the flow. 4. There are still some electronic elements missing, specifically from "The Final Showdown and Victory". For instance, there's definitely an electronic effect in the film where the statue falls and crashes through the floor. There's another one when Supergirl flies towards, and then around, Selena before the big bad monster gets 'er! A bit anal I know. A bit fan-boyish maybe. But I love this score and am very passionate about its presentation. But like I said, ignore any criticisms directed at the Silva disc (including my own!) and get both albums! :-) ************* I definitely like the Varese release much more than the Silva. This is one of the few cases where "less was more" in a CD release. I can understand the earlier discussion of composer / producer "intent." I did see Supergirl in its American incarnation. Personally, I didn't care for Supergirl, as I didn't care for any of the Salkind's post-Superman: The Movie "super" films. I felt that the electronics and the multiple renditions of the Supergirl theme on the Silva were overkill. Since I didn't care for the film, the Varese release became a sort of "concert version" of the score, much the way that John Williams prefers to do his soundtrack releases. I guess for me, it comes down to a matter of personal taste, combined with a lack of any real affection for the film.
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I'll just chime in about the tornado music from Superman IV. It is on the 8CD set as part of the track "Ear Ache/Confrontation/Tornado." The tornado scene and the Russian missile sequence were included in the international cut of the movie. It's too bad that WB didn't just make use this version for worldwide release when they did the DVD & Bluray. instead those two scenes, which existed in finished form, were included only as workprint in the deleted scenes bonus. Mike M.
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The only thing that could have helped "Superman IV" is if the whole film was deleted. This would have also done similar wonders for the sequel before it. I listenedto about half the "Supergirl" not long after the comments somebodey gave me (this included cues from the expanded release as well). Unfortunately, the score didn't improve for me. It had some ncie moment, but they were sandwiched betwixt so much wandering and whiz-bang that never really went anywhere, it was useless. It's a far cry, in my personal opinion, from his other works during that time, such as "Explorers".
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I'm curious about the "UK Version" of Supergirl, and the "European Version". I was informed that it was just one longer version overseas. The US was the only destination which got a shorter version (105 minutes) while the version shown everywhere else was the 125 minute version... My question is where did you hear about a 110 minute version?
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