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 Posted:   Jan 8, 2017 - 9:15 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Even if Walt Disney Records wanted to use some sort of vintage label for these (and I highly doubt it since both forerunners to the current Walt Disney Records are long kaput), it'd probably be the 70s multicolor Buena Vista one.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2017 - 11:33 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If it's ever a vote, I say let Mickey be on the labels and his ears are 2 Death Stars.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2017 - 11:53 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

As the original LP presentations can be squeezed on to 1 disc (Star Wars and Empire are both under 75 minutes and Jedi of course is significantly shorter), what I would do is devote a third disc to them alone and dedicate the first and second discs of each set to new remasters of the original 35mm 3-tracks, assuming they're still in good enough transferable shape. As for the prequels, well... I think its imperative to know how much music JW actually wrote for these movies since they were so heavily tracked with compositions he wrote for Phantom Menace (nearly the entire final act of Clones for instance), and of course the 2-disc of Phantom Menace itself was a complete botch job so going back to the original session tapes as opposed to the film assembly soundtrack will be imperartive.


These 2CD sets with the 3rd disc reprising the original Soundtrack edit would make a great 9CD set. While the new Disney ownership looks hopeful. We have to understand that Disney will have to take into account the recently issued SONY box sets which are widely in stock and circulation. It would not be a wise decisions to suddenly re-flood the market with new renditions. They would have to do a much different approach to the material. Who knows they just might reissue the OST LP masters on cd after the cleanup job that was done to the LP project for Sony Classical.

For the full expansions, the best option would be to a very limited release via the boutique labels like Intrada which now has a formal relationship with Disney. Test the market and see. Later on wider more prominent release could be easily undertaken by Disney.

Just some thoughts here.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2017 - 11:59 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

For purely selfish reasons and to honour my dear friend, recording engineer Eric Tomlinson who would have celebrated a birthday today, I'd love to help make the Original Trilogy sound great.

Over the years, Eric and I discussed the Original Trilogy Star Wars scores many times. We immersed ourselves one day in reassessing what the intended sound was like and how it was achieved.

We took the 1997 CD set release of the Star Wars "Main Title" and I messed around with it. Whilst there's only so much that can be done with an already mastered track -- most especially when a generous amount of dynamics processing was applied -- we thought our version sounded closer to the intended aliveness and punch.

Although what's already been released is basically complete, definitive "sounding" editions of the Original Trilogy scores are my personal Holiest of Holy Grails.

Chris


Well said, Chris. I know you would make a great choice to really bring 'balance' to the sound recordings of Tomlinson. The 'punch' of his recording is so strongly missed in albums today. Lest hope this happens someday!

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2017 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I have often found that once the yen for unreleased music has been satisfied by a complete release, I often look back at the original albums with a renewed appreciation for what they did accomplish with the restrictions that they had. When films have a complicated post-production process, there can be a lot of music generated (some of which gets used in the film, some that does not) that has to be somehow organized into a program that would fit on one or two LPs.

Thus, I like both the album of Star Wars and Empire distinct from their full scores for reasons other than just nostalgia (although I will admit that does play a certain role). Produced in an era where this much music meant that about every twenty minutes or so there had to be either a side flip or platter change, that meant two major highlights (end of one side, beginning of the other) spread out fairly evenly. It keeps the listening experience much more consistent than listening to the full scores. On the other hand, the full scores have all of those little moments, additional motifs, and structural details that the albums can't. They can do slow burns and build-ups that wouldn't fit on an album, and include the kind of tour de force that the “Battle of Hoth” sequence represents.

As has been discussed, the single LP release of Jedi stands out because it does not have anywhere near the running time required to decently represent that score. Disc 3 of the Arista box set is probably the closest we'll have to what a double LP of Jedi might have sounded like, but who really knows what sort of combinations Williams might have come up with, which might easily have included alternates or different takes.

I am pretty satisfied with the current remasters of the original albums and hope that they do get released on CD someday. But yes, the true end to this journey for me would be all three scores, preserved complete on CD, properly indexed, with a detailed, dynamic, state-of-the-art remaster.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2017 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

It would be a dream come true to see Mr Malone & Mr Matessino being given the reigns for a Star Wars set project. Two people who still recognise the vital importance of keeping the full dynamic range intact, and not mastering purely for in-car or cheap earbud, mp3 use. It worries me that what happened in the more mainstream music mastering world could seep more & more into the soundtrack one. I hope we never see the day when soundtrack releases are hopelessly brick-walled, and the subtle nuances, dynamics, tonal colours & excitement of a full orchestra are badly compromised.

As there's so many films now I think a complete set would likely be financially prohibitive to most, myself included. Perhaps staggered releases of Trilogy sets would be more apt, with all the trimmings & extras. And the original album programs must absolutely be included. Shawn Murphy & Sony did a great job with the re-released original albums last year, though in cleaning up Star Wars a *little* sparkle & ambience was lost, compared to mint condition releases of the original album. Still slight room for improvement with the album masters in a future release. The sweeping widescreen, panoramic sound, dynamic punch & sparkle of the original recordings is vital to preserve.

Fingers crossed! This is certainly the ideal year for such releases, and those master tapes for the original films are not getting any younger...

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2017 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

As the original LP presentations can be squeezed on to 1 disc (Star Wars and Empire are both under 75 minutes and Jedi of course is significantly shorter), what I would do is devote a third disc to them alone and dedicate the first and second discs of each set to new remasters of the original 35mm 3-tracks, assuming they're still in good enough transferable shape. As for the prequels, well... I think its imperative to know how much music JW actually wrote for these movies since they were so heavily tracked with compositions he wrote for Phantom Menace (nearly the entire final act of Clones for instance), and of course the 2-disc of Phantom Menace itself was a complete botch job so going back to the original session tapes as opposed to the film assembly soundtrack will be imperartive.


These 2CD sets with the 3rd disc reprising the original Soundtrack edit would make a great 9CD set. While the new Disney ownership looks hopeful. We have to understand that Disney will have to take into account the recently issued SONY box sets which are widely in stock and circulation. It would not be a wise decisions to suddenly re-flood the market with new renditions. They would have to do a much different approach to the material. Who knows they just might reissue the OST LP masters on cd after the cleanup job that was done to the LP project for Sony Classical.

For the full expansions, the best option would be to a very limited release via the boutique labels like Intrada which now has a formal relationship with Disney. Test the market and see. Later on wider more prominent release could be easily undertaken by Disney.

Just some thoughts here.


Yeah I think the best idea would be to do a Superman style box with three fatboys, priced accordingly for the collector's market but not a limited item so that the gougers wont go crazy like they do with certain LaLaLand releases.

Maybe stick it in a nice black chipboard box with a gold foil stamp outlined stack logo and embossed starfield.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2017 - 12:44 AM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

Box sets like the one for Superman are nice, but not everyone can afford them without a discount, especially after factoring in shipping costs. I think that if Intrada were to get the opportunity to release the scores the way the music deserves then they should release them separately. It would be more affordable for everyone.

Complete & remastered scores, with alternates after the presentation (unlike the Sony sets) would be ideal. I would love if album presentations were included too, but it may only be possible to include album edits and concert arrangements in the "bonus" section after the score proper. Three discs per score could cripple people's ability to afford them and impede on the label's ability to profit from them.

What am I even doing? It's 100% academic at this point.

Still, my fingers are crossed for a fortieth anniversary miracle! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2017 - 1:43 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)


Box sets like the one for Superman are nice, but not everyone can afford them without a discount, especially after factoring in shipping costs. I think that if Intrada were to get the opportunity to release the scores the way the music deserves then they should release them separately. It would be more affordable for everyone.


I also agree about "visual" solution - separate them all, so more people can buy it in time when you'll release it!
For some people huge boxes means - " I need bit more time to save the money". And if it will be just $29.99 - even I'll buy it in that day (or at least - week smile ).
Or, if anyone need beautiful box so badly - do as Beat Records do with Black Emanuelle Collection - they released all scores as separate digitpack CD releases, and with last one there was special box, to storage all of them...

 
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