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 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I am throwing this question out there because I honestly do not know the answer, so if anyone here can answer it definitively, please throw it in:

Is it legal to borrow a CD from a public library and copy it to their computer?



Technically no, but big whoop if you do.



Depends on where you live. In the Netherlands it's perfectly allowed.


Sure if you live in a country that doesn't recognize international copyright laws.
Most industrialized countries do.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

No, Solium. Whatever you may think of it, there even isn't such a thing as 'international copyright law'. Although this is supposed to be the 21st century, laws are mainly national. Even in Europe.

As for the Netherlands, one actually pays a 'copying' fee then one buys a harddrive or SSD. That fee is supposed to go to recording artists to compensate for loss of revenue due to personal copies of rented and borrowed works of print, audio and video.

The policy is not without criticism, though.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

No, Solium. Whatever you may think of it, there even isn't such a thing as 'international copyright law'. Although this is supposed to be the 21st century, laws are mainly national. Even in Europe.

As for the Netherlands, one actually pays a 'copying' fee then one buys a harddrive or SSD. That fee is supposed to go to recording artists to compensate for loss of revenue due to personal copies of rented and borrowed works of print, audio and video.

The policy is not without criticism, though.


I stand corrected then. I thought there was an "international copyright law" that countries agree to adhere too. Of course it's voluntary. Which is why a lot of servers with illegal or questionable material are hosted in the Netherlands, Sweden, or was it Switzerland?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Is it illegal to whistle the theme of Twisted Nerve in public, as you walk down the street?

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

I stand corrected then. I thought there was an "international copyright law" that countries agree to adhere too. Of course it's voluntary.

Law is never voluntary. There are treaties, such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention, but they leave a lot of room for local adjustments.


Which is why a lot of servers with illegal or questionable material are hosted in the Netherlands, Sweden, or was it Switzerland?

Russia. And not because of 'law', by the way. More to compliance.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Is it illegal to whistle the theme of Twisted Nerve in public, as you walk down the street?

It falls under fair use. In your case because of parody wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Is it illegal to whistle the theme of Twisted Nerve in public, as you walk down the street?

It falls under fair use. In your case because of parody wink




I'm not sure the police would accept that, but hopefully the judge would.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

How many times after yet another "holy grail" release happens that we read on this board the words, "Now the boot I've had all these years can finally become a coaster"?

Hopefully, they aren't the same ones wagging their fingers at others for copying discs from the library.

Now if you'll pardon me, I have to tear some tags off of some mattresses...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


Hopefully, they aren't the same ones wagging their fingers at others for copying discs from the library.






I dance a jig every time I copy a library CD.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

How many times after yet another "holy grail" release happens that we read on this board the words, "Now the boot I've had all these years can finally become a coaster"?

Hopefully, they aren't the same ones wagging their fingers at others for copying discs from the library.

Now if you'll pardon me, I have to tear some tags off of some mattresses...


The FBI deleted all my soundtracks but kept the porn.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


The FBI deleted all my soundtracks but kept the porn.


Really? I would think the reverse; adding it to the "Hoover Collection."

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

If the F.B.I. only knew half the things I've done.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2017 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

For me personally I will continue to enjoy treasures from the past that are finally unearthed and released for the first time. Anything unreleased by the likes of Goldsmith, Bernstein, Horner and all the great composers who are mostly long gone. My dear Papa always said that "The Best is yet to come!" and it is a great idea to live by in many cases. But in the case of the future of "our hobby" I sadly and truly believe that "The Best" HAS come and the future is for another generation that I am not a part of and don't want to be. "Never say never" they say but we will never see the likes of another Goldsmith or Horner or Bernstein or Rozsa or Newman or North. May Williams and Morricone and Elfman live as long as they can and be the light that reminds us how great it all was.

I am not into the movies of today, the Superhero movies and the Comic Book Universe movies which tend to dominate the screens and hearts and minds of today's audiences. It's rare that a movie is even released in this day and age that I can get excited about and truly want to take the time to go out and see. How sad. And so to answer the question of the post, the future for me and our hobby looks pretty bleak. I am happy for the new generations who like "we did" when we were young, will embrace a new period in Film Music History, that will be "their" music to enjoy and celebrate. It's just not there for me anymore. I admire composers like Giacchino who knew what great film music was and will at least try to maintain the tradition of the classic "our generation" symphonic scores. The movie and movie music business has changed and will continue to change to suit today's audiences. That is just a natural occurrence for everything in life.

To the audiences of today I say "Enjoy what current film music offers you and let it inspire you the way film music inspired my generation."

Sad to say that great film music basically died for me with the passing of maestros Small, Poledouris, Bernstein, Goldsmith and Horner and so many others who came and passed before them, but left us with so many treasures that we will always be able to enjoy and celebrate in all of our days. I thank them and miss them all.

I hope the future of my hobby includes the release of John Williams THE SECRET WAYS and BLACK PATCH and FACE OF A FUGITIVE from Jerry Goldsmith! Something to joyously look forward to!

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2017 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


I am not into the movies of today, the Superhero movies and the Comic Book Universe movies which tend to dominate the screens and hearts and minds of today's audiences.


Now you know what those older than us thought of the glut of Star Wars, Star Trek, and all the rest of that Lucas and Spielberg claptrap that displaced the type of great films which populated cinema from 1965-75 (give or take). My parents and grandparents must have suffered deeply having to take me to see The Empire Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost Ark for the nintieth time. It must have had them lamenting the end of films by Humphrey Bogart, Bette Davis, and Cary Grant. Plus, me clamoring for the toys, cards, comics, and all the other merchandise tie-in products and everything else related to Star Wars. They must have thought, "What commercial junk." I know Pauline Kael thought that of all that escapist stuff. George Effing Lucas, man. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2017 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   stormcenter   (Member)

CDs and even DVDs will be still around longer than most of us on this board. As someone else already noted just look at the comeback of vinyl sales these days. There will always be a market for physical media.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2017 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

The inevitable digital future described here, I feel, mainly concerns pop music, which I truly believe will go full digital before long. We're considered cavemen, but who really should be are the music execs who don't realize the pop value of perpetual releases from musicians, instead hanging on to the antiquated notion of an album. The Beibers and Beyonces of the world (or more likely those who don't tour nearly as much) would benefit to simply releasing a new song or two every season, always staying in the realm of public awareness, since that is how most pop is consumed anyhoo. Other niche genres will still physically survive, if not thrive, until such time that lossless music becomes the norm.

Between Uber, Air BnB, Pandora/Spotify, and the like, we're headed for a subscription based future, which cannot be sustainable in a downtrodden economy. I'm already partaking in a few (and yes, I count car insurance as such, despite being such an incriminating ripoff that it is), and my income is mainly outgoing. To own something concrete (though not perpetually... DISNEY!) is a lifestyle I'll never abandon. When convenience supercedes control, the former is just too convenient for me.

  • Also, what would have happened if one of your CDs had been stolen? Are you then obliged to delete the files off your hard drive?

    This is the kind of horror movie Hollywood should be making.

  • There was a time, not too long ago, we discussed -- to a far greater extent -- the music and the films and the contents of the soundtrack albums as they were, but this has faded considerably in the last 10-15 years. Now it's mostly about expansions, speculation, unreleased cues and the expectations for what comes NEXT. The 'expansion craze' probably won't die any time soon, but I have this hope that it will reach its saturation point so that we can get back to talking about the films and the music as aesthetic products rather than "archeological" ones.

    Didja get my "Listening Party" memo I posted a month ago? Just checkin'.

    Also, Aidabaida's answer pretty much describes us to a "t". We haven't the time or "extensive" know-how to conduct a conversation longer than a "quip and onto another life obligation".

  • The way our tiny little group massively consumes limited edition CDs, unless one is under the age of, say, 12, there is no way anyone here does not presently own a sickenngly-high number of boutique-label CDs at this very late date in the game.

    Which begs the question, how much is too much? Are we to assume that only 8 scores are worth owning, or is it a matter of Physical v. Digital Space: Dawn of YOU OWN HOW MANY CDs???

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     Posted:   Jan 30, 2017 - 4:46 AM   
     By:   pp312   (Member)

    If the F.B.I. only knew half the things I've done.

    They do. It's the other half they're investigating right now.

     
     
     Posted:   Jan 30, 2017 - 5:07 AM   
     By:   Rameau   (Member)

    Well if the last few years are anything to go by, the future for me is to carry on really enjoying listening to my favourite soundtracks & hardly buying any new ones, as no one is releasing anything I really want these days, but I do have a large stash from the old days.

     
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