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There is a movie title that encapsulates what I have to say about the subject:
Consenting Adults
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There is a movie title that encapsulates what I have to say about the subject:
Consenting Adults
Concenting to act like a bunch on bonobos!
My comment has more to do with the reckless spreading of disease.
There are plenty of things people do every day where the spreading of diseases is more likely than when practicing safe sex. :-) It's not as if swingers are by default irresponsible sex maniacs who don't give a f*** about their or other people's health.
In any case, I don't advocate swinging, I just don't think it's a big thing or that there's anything inherently wrong with it. In the 70s, it was practically "the" in thing to do. (I know this from history rather than experience.)
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And after the '70s came the '80s and AIDS. Any lessons learned? I guess not.
AIDS is much less an issue today than it was in the 80s, since it is not very prevalent among to low risk (those who practice safe sex) groups. It's still an issue, to be sure, and it's actually on the rise again in Western countries (probably, and ironically, because it has become less of an issue), but new infections are mostly confinded to unprotected homosexual sex and drug abuse. Those are high risk groups. Heterosexual swingers -- while logically at a much higher risk than monogamous couples -- are still not a risk group and transmition of AIDS in these circles is much less of an issue as one might think.
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And after the '70s came the '80s and AIDS. Any lessons learned? I guess not.
AIDS is much less an issue today than it was in the 80s, since it is not very prevalent among to low risk (those who practice safe sex) groups. It's still an issue, to be sure, and it's actually on the rise again in Western countries (probably, and ironically, because it has become less of an issue), but new infections are mostly confinded to unprotected homosexual sex and drug abuse. Those are high risk groups. Heterosexual swingers -- while logically at a much higher risk than monogamous couples -- are still not a risk group and transmition of AIDS in these circles is much less of an issue as one might think.
Boy, is that wrong! Do some research, dude.
I'm afraid I have, it is you who is mistaken.
Just some for starters:
"Gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% (26,375) of HIV diagnoses among males and 67% of all diagnoses."
https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/statistics/index.html
Similar statistics in Europe.
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Jan 19, 2017 - 10:56 AM
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Octoberman
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Seeing as this thread had continued in this vein, I feel justified in explaining my position further. So please bear with me--I'm going to be pompous and long-winded again....
Normally I am NOT judgmental about what "consenting adults" do with their own lives.
In fact, I will usually defend them to the death.
But here is the rub (haha):
These people freely chose to enter the state of marriage.
Marriage carries with it certain and specific expectations and responsibilities.
If someone can not or will not follow those rules, then they have no business getting married.
It is not a game with goal posts you can move anytime the rules become inconvenient for you.
"Being able to pass your spouse around like they are a deck of cards devalues and objectifies them to a degree where they aren't even human beings anymore."
This is fact. This is what swingers do.
It isn't love. Or at least it isn't MY idea of love.
Leaving the marriage concept aside for a moment, when you are in a couple, the concept of fidelity should not be difficult to understand or adhere to.
To put it plainly, you have given yourself to them and they to you. The sexual aspects of that giving should belong to each other alone--not to be shared with anyone else.
If one enjoys the sight of their spouse sharing something as emotionally sacred as their body with other people (and, conversely, if one constantly desires sexual fulfillment from someone other than their spouse), then that isn't even lovemaking anymore, it's just exercise--motivated from a center of easy self-gratification.
But be that as it may, it is still INfidelity, plain and simple.
I will go as far as to say that if people want to behave like life is one long, one night stand, more power to them--just be realistic and acknowledge that their marriage is not worth the paper that the certificate is printed on.
And as far as the personal commitment aspect goes: for me, if I am in bed with my partner and I have desires that are NOT directed 110% at her, then I have no business being in bed with her.
But, hey, maybe that's just me.
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Jan 19, 2017 - 11:09 AM
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RoryR
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And after the '70s came the '80s and AIDS. Any lessons learned? I guess not.
AIDS is much less an issue today than it was in the 80s, since it is not very prevalent among to low risk (those who practice safe sex) groups. It's still an issue, to be sure, and it's actually on the rise again in Western countries (probably, and ironically, because it has become less of an issue), but new infections are mostly confinded to unprotected homosexual sex and drug abuse. Those are high risk groups. Heterosexual swingers -- while logically at a much higher risk than monogamous couples -- are still not a risk group and transmition of AIDS in these circles is much less of an issue as one might think.
Boy, is that wrong! Do some research, dude.
I'm afraid I have, it is you who is mistaken.
Just some for starters:
"Gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% (26,375) of HIV diagnoses among males and 67% of all diagnoses."
https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/statistics/index.html
Similar statistics in Europe.
Tell that to people in Africa.
And you think there aren't swingers that swing both ways?
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