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 Posted:   Feb 19, 2017 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

This is the first in what I hope will be an ongoing series in which we collaboratively offer ideas to improve slow-moving films with little or no action.

For this first installment, I will offer improvements for director Robert Ellis Miller’s 1968 snoozefest, “The Heart is a Lonely Hunter.“

* SPOILERS AHEAD! *

Opening scene with fat guy breaking window of bakery: This scene would have been more intense with a gritty, urban underscore, something similar to Lalo Schifrin's Bullitt theme. When the police arrive, it would have been great if a fight broke out between the fat guy and the cops. Also, the fat guy could have thrown one of the cops through the window, with the cop getting whipped cream all over his face as he crashes into the cake.

Stacy Keach punching brick wall: This scene would have worked better with a nervous jazz underscore. Perhaps some of the crowd could have started placing bets over how long Keach would last. It then could have segued into a choreographed scene, something like the Jets and Sharks with Leonard Bernstein underscore, with the crowd taunting Keach. Finally, Keach could have lashed out against the crowd with a switchblade. A missed opportunity.

Fight scene at the carnival: Finally, we see some action. This scene would have played much better with a dramatic underscore, maybe something similar to the iconic battle music that was frequently used in Star Trek episodes.

Sondra Locke’s party: The introduction of fireworks into the story line provided the perfect device to show some body parts flying through the air; sadly, this possibility was left undeveloped. Also, the guests refusing to leave the party could have nicely segeued into a mixed-marshall-arts segment in which Locke attacks party goers.

Alan Arkin and fat guy in cab: I started to get excited when Alan Arkin threw the Whitman sampler out of the window. Arkin then could have opened the door and pushed out the fat guy. The fat guy could have clung to the cab's roof and pulled himself up. Then, Alan Arkin could have climbed onto the roof from his side of the cab and they could have had a fistfight on the roof of the moving car, perhaps with some marshall arts content. The cab then could have sped up in an attempt to throw them off, maybe crashing into a produce stand, or into a large sheet of plate glass being carried across the street by movers.

Alan Arkin suicide: Alan Arkin could have held Sondra Locke as a hostage, leading to a dramatic standoff with the police, in which Arkin frantically scribbles demands on his notepad and delivers them to police via paper airplanes thrown out of the window; or, Arkin could have gone postal in any number of locations before doing himself in.

What are your thoughts?

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2017 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

I loved the bit in My Dinner With Andre II in 3D where Andre eats too much and barfs right into the camera.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2017 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Maybe if it was more like the "Fast and the Furious"-type movie it was erroneously marketed as (or if - I don't know - anything had happened in it), I might be more appreciative of DRIVE.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2017 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

How about fixing action films so their actually exciting? Action films today are like porn films. Every shot is the money shot. There's no build up, tension or drama, just senseless "action".

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2017 - 5:33 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I found this moving quite compelling when I first saw it on network TV when I was a teenager. It haunted me so much I eventually had to read the book. The movie is a fine adaptation of it. This thread is abominable.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2017 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

So I guess these movie-mockery threads by onionberry will be akin to Mst3k (which I enjoy in more deserving circumstances). There's nothing wrong with this movie's pacing - the problem is the current audience who has the attention span of a fly (maybe a bar fly). They expect fast editing, etc, etc.

The only real problem is the maladaptive adaption of the book. The main character does NOT give everyone a guilt trip like Arkin does in the movie, with his suicide the ultimate guilt trip. In the book, characters read what they want into him like the Peter Sellers character in "Being There" - noone really knows him, nor does he understand them. That the movie makes them connect undermines the point. And that Rory thinks it's a good adaption only proves the movie's mistake.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2017 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Remember everybody, this is coming from the guy who thinks Beneath the Planet of the Apes is a fine sequel to the original.

Yeah, that's right.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2017 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

There might be a half-decent ST:TOS-style episode hidden in ST:TMP if you cut most of it out, reinstate Courage's main title and needle-drop some Steiner and/or Fried from the Soundtrack Collection box set. I say "might".



(Proposed half tongue-in-cheek with apologies to anyone who loves the current version or has written a book about it.)

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2017 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

This Lonely Hunter movie is from 1968, so you shouldn't have any trouble ratcheting up the pace of this relic using footage of other films from that most violent of years, 1968. You can start by throwing in the car pursuit sequence from BULLITT, also from 1968, but instead of Steve McQueen, just arm, ply with booze, and then unleash Lee Marvin to crack the skull of every cast member within smashing distance. It would be especially gratifying to see ol' Lee pistol whip Alan Arkin into submission. Arkin's one of those know-it-all actors that Hollywood forces the public to like. I'll hate any film in which Alan Arkin appears and every on screen performance he gives if the s.o.b. lives to be eleventeen thousand years old.

You know what? Forget that. Just insert fifty hours of Tet Offensive footage, also from 1968. No one saw it coming then, and they sure as Hue won't expect it in any damned "director's cut" now.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2017 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

It would be especially gratifying to see ol' Lee pistol whip Alan Arkin into submission. Arkin's one of those know-it-all actors that Hollywood forces the public to like.

I don't recall ever hearing a bad word about Alan Arkin. I've always really liked him, from Freebie and the Bean through Catch-22 and on to Edward Scissorhands and beyond. Shrugs!

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2017 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

It would be especially gratifying to see ol' Lee pistol whip Alan Arkin into submission. Arkin's one of those know-it-all actors that Hollywood forces the public to like.

I don't recall ever hearing a bad word about Alan Arkin. I've always really liked him, from Freebie and the Bean through Catch-22 and on to Edward Scissorhands and beyond. Shrugs!


Yeah. I like him, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2017 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

It would be especially gratifying to see ol' Lee pistol whip Alan Arkin into submission. Arkin's one of those know-it-all actors that Hollywood forces the public to like.

I don't recall ever hearing a bad word about Alan Arkin. I've always really liked him, from Freebie and the Bean through Catch-22 and on to Edward Scissorhands and beyond. Shrugs!


Yeah. I like him, too.



That's funny, because I can't stand the bastard.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2017 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

In space, no one can hear you scream.
hard to be alone
hard to be turned away.
hard to lose a friend
hard to take to much pain

out side of that stuff above
have a happy day

I think the move stands on its own.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2017 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)



Yeah. I like him, too.

That's funny, because I can't stand the bastard.


 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2017 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It would be especially gratifying to see ol' Lee pistol whip Alan Arkin into submission. Arkin's one of those know-it-all actors that Hollywood forces the public to like.

I don't recall ever hearing a bad word about Alan Arkin. I've always really liked him, from Freebie and the Bean through Catch-22 and on to Edward Scissorhands and beyond. Shrugs!


Yeah. I like him, too.


One of my favorite actors. Love him.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2017 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It would be especially gratifying to see ol' Lee pistol whip Alan Arkin into submission. Arkin's one of those know-it-all actors that Hollywood forces the public to like.

I don't recall ever hearing a bad word about Alan Arkin. I've always really liked him, from Freebie and the Bean through Catch-22 and on to Edward Scissorhands and beyond. Shrugs!


Yeah. I like him, too.


One of my favorite actors. Love him.


I thought he was good in "Little Miss Sunshine" and "Heart is lonely hunter" (even if they changed his literary source character too much).

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Ive got one for improving Dune. A huge iconic explosion right at the beginning.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I've not seen THE HEART IS A LONELY HUNTER (that I can remember, anyway), but I have a problem with the premise of this thread, which describes slow films as something 'negative' that needs 'fixing'.

I love slow cinema myself, and the thing to remember is that the tempo is set as a point in itself; to make an issue out of the way we experience time. It wouldn't make sense to talk about 'fixing' the tempo of films by Tarr, Tarkovsky, Angeloupoulos, Weerasethakul, Sokurov etc. And you could apply the same sentiments to more mainstream films too, that strive for this particular way of storytelling/experience. Something like Gareth Edwards' MONSTERS, for example, or Kelly Reichardt's movies.

The real problem -- as others have pointed out -- is a lack of patience among a rapid-editing-hungry audience, which means that these films are usually relegated to cineaste territory. But some crossover films manage to pull through also in a commercial sense, like ARRIVAL last year.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Ive got one for improving Dune. A huge iconic explosion right at the beginning.

In the editing room I presume?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2017 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Thor, sometimes you remind me of Mr Spock. I think that you fail to grasp the deadpan humour behind the character of Mr Onya Birrie. I'm sure that he will refute that and say that he's being deadly serious, but that in itself would be another joke. He's never actually seen any films made after 1976. Or so he said, once.

 
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