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 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

Link: https://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/?ftag=CAD-04-10aai6f&bhid=24180488369249505014844743954693

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yeah kinda agree with this persons arguments. I think motion blur/distortion remains one of the biggest issues, and apparently it's not being addressed.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

That article is not that new, but it remains basically accurate. The big irony in 4k is that the best use for a 4k screen is for 3d to eliminate ghosting and other artifacts, but all the 4k screens are being made without 3d.
Go figure.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

4K TVs are not stupid. They have smaller pixels and so less of what's called the "screen door effect." I look forward to getting one -- in a couple of years.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

4K TVs are not stupid.


The author said this at the very end of the article.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

4K TVs are not stupid.


The author said this at the very end of the article.


Like I was going to bother reading it. It's dated. I got better things to do like jerking off.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

4K TVs are not stupid.


The author said this at the very end of the article.


Like I was going to bother reading it. It's dated. I got better things to do like jerking off.


If you bothered to read the article you would've found out most of his criticisms hold up. And why his criticisms were credible.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

ah, that is a bit too personal there Rory

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

ah, that is a bit too personal there Rory


Yeah, I'm noticing a bit of a stream-of-consciousness thing in his last few appearances.
Maybe it's Rory's Pon-Farr?

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)


Here in the UK, I bought a 55” Samsung 4KHD TV on Black Friday........almost Half Price!

The quality of the picture is amazing.

Most of the time,the picture is almost 3-D, even on TV HD broadcasts.
Things like Nature programmes (David Attenborough,etc) look stunning and definitely 3-D like, with SO much depth.

Tracking shots seem to work best....ie, when you can see the view from a moving vehicle,or person walking. The picture really is amazing!

Blu-Ray looks fantastic on this too.

Over Christmas,we watched the Blu-Ray of “White Christmas”. The quality of these Paramount VistaVision movies is stunning to start with.....on 4K, you can almost put your arms around the actors!

Even older, B/W movies look better. I watched the original “3:10 to Yuma” recently and that looked equally stunning.

I have no qualms with 4K at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

ah, that is a bit too personal there Rory


Yeah, I'm noticing a bit of a stream-of-consciousness thing in his last few appearances.
Maybe it's Rory's Pon-Farr?


Yes, it is Rory Pon Farr time..

goodness that was funny, you almost made me spit tea out on my screen

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

That article is not that new, but it remains basically accurate. The big irony in 4k is that the best use for a 4k screen is for 3d to eliminate ghosting and other artifacts, but all the 4k screens are being made without 3d.
Go figure.



Well, the 4K specification does not include a spec for 4K 3-D, but some 4K sets still include the ability to view 2K 3-D. And if that ability is based on a passive viewing system (i.e., not with active shutter glasses, but with polarized lens glasses), the 3-D will be at a resolution twice as high as today's 1080P sets.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

That article is not that new, but it remains basically accurate. The big irony in 4k is that the best use for a 4k screen is for 3d to eliminate ghosting and other artifacts, but all the 4k screens are being made without 3d.
Go figure.



Well, the 4K specification does not include a spec for 4K 3-D, but some 4K sets still include the ability to view 2K 3-D. And if that ability is based on a passive viewing system (i.e., not with active shutter glasses, but with polarized lens glasses), the 3-D will be at a resolution twice as high as today's 1080P sets.


Exactly, that is what I meant, the benefit is seeing a 3d image in full HD, instead of what is really 50% of it, and this does eliminate some artifacts. The CNET guys basically said the best argument for buying a 4k is really passive 3d, but no one is making 3d sets any longer, so that is rather ironic.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

LG and Sony still have some 4K 3-D sets.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Yeah kinda agree with this persons arguments. I think motion blur/distortion remains one of the biggest issues, and apparently it's not being addressed.

Yeah cheap sets have a lot of motion blur going on, which is a problem. It is something I can see but my husband not so much.

I don't have a problem with 4K TVs the question is really is it worth replacing a high quality 1080p TV with a UHD TV? And to that it would depend on whether you also have the funds and interest in upgrading your players because most people's old Blu Ray player won't play 4K Blu rays.

Maybe this will help people buy more blu rays now that they are UHD but I can more likely imagine more confusion with people as to what the difference is and see people getting gifts of a UHD blu ray that they can't play because they don't have a system that supports it.

Then if you have anything else in between your TV and your system (receiver, HDMI splitter etc,) you need to make sure that is compatible with the whole thing. So all the people who just bought a new receiver to play 3D content are they going to need a new one to play UHD content?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

LG and Sony still have some 4K 3-D sets.

Not in the new years line up, the entire function is dead entirely from all manufacturers per this;

https://www.cnet.com/news/shambling-corpse-of-3d-tv-finally-falls-down-dead/

"It's been a walking corpse for the last couple of years, and now 3D TV finally looks dead.

LG and Sony, the last two major TV makers to support the 3D feature in their TVs, will stop doing so in 2017. None of their sets, not even high-end models such as their new OLED TVs, will be able to show 3D movies and TV shows. "


 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Wanna know something funny? I think my TV is 3D capable but the documentation was so vague I'm not sure, and I never bothered to look into it any further.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

LG and Sony still have some 4K 3-D sets.

Not in the new years line up, the entire function is dead entirely from all manufacturers per this;

https://www.cnet.com/news/shambling-corpse-of-3d-tv-finally-falls-down-dead/

"It's been a walking corpse for the last couple of years, and now 3D TV finally looks dead.

LG and Sony, the last two major TV makers to support the 3D feature in their TVs, will stop doing so in 2017. None of their sets, not even high-end models such as their new OLED TVs, will be able to show 3D movies and TV shows. "



Wow, I wasn't aware of that decision by LG and Sony. According to one article, however, Panasonic is the last holdout, with one 2017 4K LED LCD model, the EX750, still capable of 3D (using the active shutter method).

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/panasonic-tvs-2017-4k-hdr

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 9:15 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

My sister's boyfriend bought a 4K TV. It has this horrific motion "enhancement" on it that makes everything look unnaturally smooth, almost like a super high frame rate. It's a terrible distraction, especially during scenes of rapid motion when it causes distortion around the moving object. If this is the current solution to motion blur, then I'll stick with the artifacts we already have.

Personally, I sit about six feet from my current 1080 setup. 4K looks stunning up close, but I rarely find anything to complain about on a well mastered Blu-ray. It's a far cry from the jaggies of DVD and the pan & scan, color bleed nightmare of VHS. That said, I still watch DVDs on a regular basis.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 9:53 PM   
 By:   Col. Flagg   (Member)

My sister's boyfriend bought a 4K TV. It has this horrific motion "enhancement" on it that makes everything look unnaturally smooth, almost like a super high frame rate.

You know you can turn that off, right?

 
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