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 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Just stumbled on what I think is a very interesting and extensive 2015 interview with Andre Previn. As you know, he's been involved in many different kinds of music and music-making, and this conversation touches on virtually all of them. If you're interested only in his views on film music and its composers -- particularly John Williams -- you can skip around and skim. But I think you'll be rewarded by examining this in all its different facets.

http://www.newmusicbox.org/articles/andre-previn-how-lucky-i-am-now/

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Thanks, Preston, wonderful article.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Previn is always entertaining, but he can be terribly glib at times. Take the story about John Williams seemingly being afraid to write a concerto for Ms. Mutter. Doesn't Previn know that JW had already written a Violin Concerto that has been recorded twice? Surely he does; he says he knows the Bassoon Concerto. So what's going on here? Selective memory? JW's excessive politeness? Like all good raconteurs, Previn needs to be taken with a dose of salt.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I'm sure that was posted before, somewhere.... I think there was quite a long thread which developed. I might even have contributed m'self, but I can't find it at the mo'. Or maybe I'm mistaken again. I'll have another search.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Go for it, Grahame. If you find it, we can consolidate. I, the Luddite Cyberpunk, have rarely had good luck finding things around here, but I wish you luck!

***

Thank you, John. While not knowledgeable enough to have known about that specific violin concerto, I was well aware that JW has penned a whole slew of concertos for various instruments, and of course a big batch of other orchestral concert pieces, so I, too, wondered about Previn's recollections on that matter. (Fake news! smile ) Agree with you on your saline solution.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Previn's view on film music (and John Williams) are wellknown. He's been spouting them in interviews for many decades now, and the statements are more or less carbon copies of each other. There's even a conversation (from the 80s, I think) between Previn and his old pal John where he relates his frustrations to the man himself (not on Youtube, unfortunately).

He keeps saying that both he and Williams had scores rejected from an Ann-Margret film, but no one has yet to confirm or find that information anywhere.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

'found it, but it's not that great .... mostly me on the spout!


http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=1&threadID=112069&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Elmer Bernstein is watered down Copland? I've never much been able to relate to anything of Copland's, but Bernstein moves and excites me often. I must like watered down stuff.

Oh well, at least Goldsmith got a gernsey.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Thanks, William. I'll go check that out, and then afterward I think I'll enjoy listening to THE PLEASURE OF HIS COMPANY, some wonderful music Alfred Newman wrote for Debbie Reynolds talking.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

pp -- really? Bernstein but not Copland? I'm surprised. I think maybe Elmer would have been, too. Me, I love them both. But, so it goes. As I'm fond of quoting Mark Twain on this Board, "It's a difference of opinion that makes horse races."

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2017 - 2:36 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

pp -- really? Bernstein but not Copland? I'm surprised.

Be not surprised, Preston. I'm sure if you take a poll you'll find many Bernstein admirers who remain unimpressed by Copland, who to my ears too often shambles where Bernstein is galloping. Could be I'm just too impatient, though even in my dotage I can still sit through a Vaughan Williams symphony without losing concentration. But Copland? Not really.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2017 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I love both Copland and Elmer, and North and Moross, but each have their own distinct Americana style.

Copland definitely set a mould by looking deliberately for an authentic American symphonic style, and he did so by tweaking pentatonic folk styles and using their intervals, plus elements of Hispanic and modern dissonance styles.

But Moross and Bernstein and the others did their own thing, had their own harmonic preferences, their own groupings. Herrmann studied under Copland, but no-one says 'Oh, the Aaron Copland School'.

I think you might as well say Rachmaninov was in the Tchaikovsky school, or Haydn in the Mozart. It doesn't do the composers justice really. If you decide to write a Western score using those folk intervals and a bit of pseudo-Mexican, then it'll almost certainly come out like Mag 7, irrespective of whether you think Copland or not. The Norths and Previns and Goldsmiths took the unresolved bittersweet clashes of some of Copland's music and ran with that. Friedhofer in 'Best Years' evoked Aaron fairly intentionally, but all of these gents were unique. They shouldn't be denigrated.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2017 - 4:28 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

all of these gents were unique. They shouldn't be denigrated.

Exactly. Especially by being labelled as watered down somebody else.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2017 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Well, that "watered-down" crack is another one of those "grain of salt" remarks from the sometimes hoity-toity Mr. Previn, isn't it? I often think that deep down in his psyche he feels the necessity to denigrate his own and others' work in Hollywood as a pre-emptive attempt to ward off disrespect from the classical music world, a field in which a certain amount of snobbery is not exactly an unknown component. (That'll be 25 cents.)

Bernstein, Copland, Vaughan Williams -- now, that makes it three composers I love. Ditto Friedhofer, Moross, North, etc., etc. Bernstein didn't study with Copland, although the older man helped encourage Elmer's musical education. God knows Bernstein gallops, bless him, but I personally would never feel that Copland's "Hoedown," say, shambles. And one of the most stirring pieces of musical Americana, IMHO, is the overture of the RED PONY suite. (I wish Copland had managed to endow his Symphony with that level of excitement, but that's another discussion for another time.) As it happens, perhaps my favorite recording of the PONY suite is with the London Symphony Orchestra, conducted by... Andre Previn. Go figure.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2017 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

If anyone cares to look, I expressed my own thoughts on this in that old thread which McCrum linked to, the old one which he claims to have hogged - but not exclusively.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2017 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

And expressed very well, I'd say, as did lots of other people on that thread. I'm sorry I never knew about the thread -- if I had, you can be sure I would've posted on it -- but I'll be very happy if this thread, as sort of a companion piece, bumps readers back to that original one.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2017 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

As it happens, perhaps my favorite recording of the PONY suite is with the London Symphony Orchestra, conducted by... Andre Previn. Go figure.

And my favourite recordings of most of the VW symphonies is conducted by...Andre Previn. Go figure.

(But seriously, he seems to have had an innate feeling for VW's music commensurate with Adrian Bolt's. Is that odd for an American fresh from Hollywood or should we have expected it?).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2017 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

As it happens, perhaps my favorite recording of the PONY suite is with the London Symphony Orchestra, conducted by... Andre Previn. Go figure.


Preston- I believe you're thinking of Previn's Red Pony recording with the St. Louis Symphony? Did he do a recording of it with the LSO?

 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2017 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I'm sure if you take a poll you'll find many Bernstein admirers who remain unimpressed by Copland, who to my ears too often shambles where Bernstein is galloping.

Count me as another Bernstein fan who is relatively unmoved by Copland. Copland is an important composer, and while Bernstein bears some influence of Copland, I find Bernstein's music more satisfying.

It's also worth nothing that Copland, despite his popular status of "Quintessential Americana Composer", divided his time between Manhattan and the comfortable suburbs of New York, whereas Bernstein owned a ranch in Ojai, on which he raised Llamas and often rode his horse in the mountains. Copland wrote about the Americana experience, but Bernstein lived it.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2017 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

A brilliant composer like Copland didn't need the "outdoor life" to write in the Americana vein......Practically every composer in Hollywood from Friedhofer to Bernstein acknowledged that Copland was the creator of this sound. I love Bernstein's work, he's in my top five, and there IS an electricity to his western scores. But Copland came first. And again, any great composer doesn't need to live the lifestyle to write in that style. I'd say that Williams did pretty well creating an Asian sound for Memoirs of a Geisha without living in Japan.

P.S. One of my favorite early western scores of Bernstein's is Tin Star from 1957.....Every EB fan should get it!

 
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