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Mar 12, 2017 - 11:16 AM
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RoryR
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For me, the "fun" is in hearing the same thing I'm hearing in the film. I get a kick from it. It's cool, man. That's just the way it is with me. If you can't relate.... not my problem. So, we'll just have to file this exchange under "Yet another pointless argument on the FSM message board."
It's hardly pointless, and it was not intended as an "argument," unless you are using the term in the academic sense.
What we have demonstrated is that this particular release will not necessarily appeal to everyone who likes the music from "Barefoot in the Park" and "The Odd Couple."
Yes, I am using the term "argument" in an academic sense. No, I do not think "we have demonstrated" anything other than what I'll say after quoting this:
It just seems to me that if you can only like the film recording, it's not that you like the music, it's that you like the memento.
Again, great! Just not what I look for in a listening experience.
The memento. Yes, I'm into collecting "the memento" of the OSR of a film's score, but you're implying a denigration of my liking the listening experience of that if a re-recording exists that in your estimation is in some way superior to the OSR as if I'm some kind of idiot.
To me, this borders of film score connoisseurship snobbery.
Do I wish this CD of BAREFOOT/ODD COUPLE presented a well-preserved recording of the scores in full-bodied stereo over the sonically limited mono that we get instead for that "better listening experience"? Sure, of course I do? But it seems that's not possible. So, I'm just going to be content with what I can get, and when I play it on my 5.1 home sytem I'll listen to it in the "remastered stereo/surround" mode. Guess what? Works for me.
But as for these LP versions you guys are talking about -- which I've never heard -- I'm not going to gnash my teeth and spoil my enjoyment of what Varese provides just because some here contend they're superior to what I now have. Are you guys some kind of official authorities on what we all should truly value and only be interested in listening to?
You guys are unhappy because Varese didn't also release the LP versions, is that right? Well, too bad for you. For me.... I just don't give a damn.
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Mar 12, 2017 - 11:52 AM
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SchiffyM
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You guys are unhappy because Varese didn't also release the LP versions, is that right? Well, too bad for you. For me.... I just don't give a damn.
Not me. I mean, sure, I would have taken the LP version, too, but I'm very happy with this new CD, so no unhappiness here.
Just to be clear, as I thought I'd stressed before, I was only stating my own preference. There are non-film recordings that I prefer to the film recordings, because of a more polished performance, or better audio, or just some intangible quality that appeals to me more. Other times – probably more often – I prefer the original film recording. But I don't have one rule that applies to everything. I'll even freely admit that sometimes, a particular recording probably appeals to me for purely sentimental reasons, or because it's associated with something I love and maybe not by itself superior music.
Is that film score connoisseurship snobbery? I don't see how.
Listen to what you like. Listening to anything else is a waste of time.
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I think these things are completely private and personal. However, the human being is free to express feelings, and considering that someone from Varese may be reading this topic and maybe even doing an 'evaluation for future releases', then I want to say again that I simply LOVED this release, and the reason was to have been the film score of these two works. Honestly, I was relieved that it was not the LP versions (horrible in my opinion, especially the version with dialogues of Couple ... I have both LPs and I've already ripped it on CD '100 years ago'! Vinyl version would not change my life...by the way, I have all the versions of movies released in LPs, Mancini, Hefti, Riddle, etc etc etc and I do not like it, they stay in my closet resting ... I have only because I'm an obsessive collector ... really sorry, lovers of the LP versions, no offense please).
I do not mind the soundtracks having a low, doughy, mono sound etc (in fact, I prefer mono). What I am interested in first, are the soundtracks recorded originally for the films: the film score!
So, once again, thank you Varese for hearing my desires and intimate thoughts (this sounds like a spiritist statement), and having released the film scores of these 2 works! Continue on this path, please!
Taking advantage of the occasion, when some MERCIFUL SAINT (Varese, Intrada, Kritz, Quartet, LaLa, Stylotone, MusicBox, etcetcetcetc, hey please!), will release one of Herrmann's best and most important soundtracks (film score) on CD: JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS? It's absurd that the film score has never been released! I'm probably going to die and I will not have that pleasure. How about Varese, to continue this series with this great work?
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Mar 12, 2017 - 4:57 PM
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SchiffyM
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RoryR, I apologize if my memento statement came off as a "crack." That wasn't my intention, but I can see how it might have.
The thing is, if anybody (not saying this is you) chooses to buy a soundtrack album as a memento, or because he likes the album art, or because he simply collects items related to a certain movie, or because he's a compulsive hoarder, or for any other reason… well, they're all equally valid.
My personal preference is that I like the music. I have no interest in being an archivist, I am not listening for academic purposes, I simply want to enjoy the time spent listening. And this is why I have no rule. I am not listening to a movie, I am listening to music. So why should I care if the music on the album is the same recording as in the movie?
But that's just me. If you differ, by all means, differ.
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In this particular case, the release of the film tracks is a win-win situation: we now have all TWO versions and UMG may very well (I hope so) issue the LP versions in their own re-issue program (that is if the master tapes are existent at all). A straight re-issue of the "Odd Couple" LP in particular would have been a disappointment...
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Mar 13, 2017 - 9:12 AM
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OnyaBirri
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I do not mind the soundtracks having a low, doughy, mono sound etc (in fact, I prefer mono).
I love mono LPs from the stereo/mono era, and always try to seek out the mono versions. They are often mixed with more care than the stereo counterparts, and the drawbacks of vinyl are less noticeable with mono records (when they are played back in mono). Capitol mono LPs from the 1950s in particular are among the best sounding high fidelity recordings ever.
But with contemporary CDs of film score recordings from that era, mono mixes may suggest that the sources were less than ideal. They will rarely sound as good as a mono LP recorded, mixed, and pressed for commercial purposes.
I too would rather have mono than nothing, but with limited money and even more limited shelf space, sound quality can be a decisive factor if I am on the fence.
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B-side cover:
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B-side cover:
Amazing...everything amazing...2 complete FILM SCORES, great sound, wonderful booklet (include that hilarious Jack Lemmon picture, pag. 3)...in my opinion, so far, the great launch of the 2017.
By the way, Varèse, please, it would be possible to continue this series with the (until now unreleased) film score of JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS (Bernard Herrmann)?????
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B-side cover:
Amazing...everything amazing...2 complete FILM SCORES, great sound, wonderful booklet (include that hilarious Jack Lemmon picture, pag. 3)...in my opinion, so far, the great launch of the 2017.
By the way, Varèse, please, it would be possible to continue this series with the (until now unreleased) film score of JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS (Bernard Herrmann)?????
Varése, please, again, another suggestion for the next film scores (and this time, the LP version has already been released on CD): SEX AND THE SINGLE GIRL ... it would be incredible to hear Neal Hefti's original score, and the original songs sung by the delightful Fran 'Meglio Stasera' Jeffries!
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I want his score to DUEL AT DIABLO.
Other work would be interesting to have the film score. By the way, if I'm not wrong, I believe that so far only 4 Hefti film scores have been released on CD:
Neal Hefti – Releases CDs:
Sex And The Single Girl (1964) (LP Version: FSM)
How To Murder Your Wife (1964) (Film Score: Kritzerland) (LP Version: Kritzerland)
Boeing Boeing (1965) (LP Version: Dutton Vocalion)
Harlow (1965) (LP Version: DRG)
Synanon (1965) (LP Version: Fresh Sound Records; Kritzerland)
Lord Love A Duck (1965) (LP Version: Kritzerland)
Duel At Diablo (1966) (LP Version: Delphi; FSM)
Oh Dad, Poor Dad, Mamma's Hung You In The Closet And I'm Feelin' So Sad (1966)
(LP Version: RCA; Dutton Vocalion; Kritzerland)
Barefoot In The Park (1967) (Film Score: Varèse)
The Odd Couple (1967) (Film Score: Varèse)
Won Ton Ton The Dog Who Saved Hollywood (1976) (Film Score: Kritzerland)
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