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 Posted:   Mar 20, 2017 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Weirdly, while all the previous Marvel Netflix shows have exploded my social media on release, no one seems to be talking about this one at all. And there's this weird discrepancy on Rotten Tomatoes: currently, the critical rating is a savage 16%, while the audience score is 86%. So it looks like this is one of those shows people determined not to like before it came out, to the extent that most of the audience who wouldn't like it stayed away leaving behind the hardcore fans? I don't know.

Anyway. I watched it this weekend and it was . . . fine? Not great, not the abysmal trainwreck you'd think based on the early reviews.

A lot of the criticisms are valid. A big problem is that the action is a let down. The lead can never match the physicality of Luke Cage and never gets his ass kicked like Daredevil, and the martial arts are rarely thrilling or even convincing. This is a show that really needed some style to its action and there it failed. Making things worse is Trevor Morris's completely lackluster score. This is a show that really, really could have benefited from an orchestral score infusing the visuals with some of the mysticism and energy that they lack on their own, like what Poledouris did for that stupid movie The Touch.

And Finn Jones is really out of his league in the role. Aside from the martial arts, his character and motivations seem to keep changing and he isn't able to sell that. Also, while he's kind of a tool and kind of a dolt, he's not the earnest buffoon he is in the comics and there's just not much to latch onto there to anchor the show. And while I don't mind that they stayed true to the comics version of the character, I do get that after the thematic and representational triumphs of Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, this seems like a regressive face-slap with a rich white dude mansplaining martial arts to a woman who herself has also been steeped in martial arts her whole life, the outsider white man coming in and gritting his teeth to become a better fighter than any of the natives. So there's that.

Also as fine as David Wenham can be, he's no match for what Vincent D'Onofrio, Mahershala Ali, and David Tennant brought to their various antagonist roles.

And there's some stupidity involving The Hand here that just isn't worth going into.

Despite this litany of complaints, I found the show enjoyable enough to keep watching. It added to the foundations laid in the other Marvel Netflix shows, and the supporting characters brought the goods, mostly. Jessica Henwick was good as Colleen Wing, and Rosario Dawson continued to be good as the thread running through all these shows too, though how she affords her home I don't know. Tom Pelphrey provides the most compelling character arc of the season, despite his wardrobe manager who should probably be fired. And despite my complaints about the action above -- and it could definitely be better -- it mostly serves the drama fine and I'm not expert enough in Kung Fu or any other martial arts here that this was distractingly bad for me.

One thing I don't understand is the complaints about the pacing. The last three Marvel Netflix shows have all had terrible pacing, and two of them did this weird thing where they were one thing for 2/3 of their episodes and then switched direction and did something else. This one, the speed is not great but the pacing is consistent. Honestly, 13 episodes is too much for what Marvel's trying to do with each season and I think they'd be better off released 3 8-episode seasons each year rather than 2 13-episode seasons. I think an 8-episode season would offer a much tighter, more intense experience for almost any story they've told so far.

Sorry for the ramble. To sum up: this is the weakest Netflix Marvel show to date but it certainly didn't earn the critical rating it currently has, and is worth checking out if you're a fan of the property.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2017 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Interesting thoughts, Mastadge. I was familiar with the idea of Daredevil (although not having read any of the stories to my recollection, nor having seen the earlier film) and enjoyed it. I was UNfamiliar with both Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, and quite enjoyed them - particularly David Tennant's appallingly compelling character, and Mahershala Ali in LC for as long as he was in it...

But I saw that Iron Fist (something I'd never heard of before) was on netflix, and wasn't really tempted to give it a try. I probably will at some stage, but your post doesn't really fill me with hope that it'll be the new 24 or House of Cards US!

TG

 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2017 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   RobotSam   (Member)

Watched ep 1 last night, even with low expectations it was a letdown. Won't go into specifics for anyone who hasn't seen it yet but it's weirdly uninvolving, doesn't draw you in at all. Acting wasn't great and the writing was weak. Main character is probably the weakest link in the show. Fight scenes were flat which is surprising considering how well done Daredevil's fight scenes were.

Netflix Marvel shows have been on a steady decline. First season of Daredevil was really good, followed by season 1 of Jessica Jones which was also good. Then season 2 of Daredevil is released which, while good, wasn't quite as good as season 1 (I thought the Punisher storyline was better than Daredevil's). Then Luke Cage comes out which has some good actors but the story and pacing were off and frankly I struggled to finish the series. Now Iron Fist is out and I'm so ambivalent after watching the first episode that I doubt I'll even watch anymore. Next out will be the Defenders series combining all of these superheroes and right now I don't care a bit. Not helping matters is word that the Defenders will be fighting the Hand. The Hand was featured in Daredevil's second season and I found them kinda dumb. Apparently they factor into the Iron Fist series which isn't exactly a strong selling point for me. Hands down (ha!) the best villain in the Netflix Marvel universe--The Kingpin! Sadly underutilized since season 1 of DD. His scene with Matt in DD's season 2 was a highlight.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


But I saw that Iron Fist (something I'd never heard of before) was on netflix, and wasn't really tempted to give it a try. I probably will at some stage, but your post doesn't really fill me with hope that it'll be the new 24 or House of Cards US!
TG



Well I'm watching it now, and am 9 episodes in (out of 13). It isn't the new 24 or House of Cards US.

The main character isn't quite as wet as I expected but he's not far off. He reminds me of someone else when he's trying to act but I haven't quite brought the name to mind. I don't think it's flattering.

And I'm no expert on computer games, but when more than two characters in Iron Fist are on the screen, it reminds me of one of the Harry Potter PC games my kids had, where you controlled one of the characters with the mouse and the others kind of followed you around, doing random listless things to no good end.

That said, Jessica Henwick lights up the screen when she's on.

 
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