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 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Wow! Last night I got to see LADY ON A TRAIN at the Noir City Film Festival at the Noir City Film Festival. Not only was it the most enjoyable Deanna Durbin film I had ever seen, as America’s sweetheart she probably was partly responsible for my diabetes with the heavy sugar her early films had, but this is the first comedy Miklos Rozsa score I have ever heard. Not satire like DEAD MEN DON’T WEAR PLAID but just plain comedy. He gives his usual gravitas to the noir part but I was relieved to hear a bit of the same Mickeymousing that everyone from Tiomkin to Skinner had to do. Rozsa sometimes would get way on on his high horse, not that I blamed him, and talked disparaging about such things. This whole film was tongue-in-cheek, suspenseful and clever. And I don’t think Durbin ever looked quite so beautiful. Expectations is everything.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UnS0ZEkwfI&list=PL1QGYXUGuTn8TpRy8s0cUHFUY-84j4GiZ

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

By coincidence, I was listening yesterday to Rozsa's "Deanna Durbin Waltz" from Because of Him, played on piano by Daniel Robbins. After a very long while not playing Robbins' two Rozsa piano CDs from Intrada, I really enjoyed playing them again.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

He gives his usual gravitas to the noir part but I was relieved to hear a bit of the same Mickeymousing that everyone from Tiomkin to Skinner had to do. Rozsa sometimes would get way on on his high horse, not that I blamed him, and talked disparaging about such things. This whole film was tongue-in-cheek, suspenseful and clever.

Heh... I considered posting about this. I attended the same screening.

We're in agreement about the film and score. Some of the comedic / Christmas-related cues were definitely out of character for Rozsa. But in certain scenes, like when Deanna Durbin was searching the house, Rozsa's noir side came through loud and clear.

The film was an odd amalgam of genres (the "Silent Night" scene caught me completely off-guard!) yet I enjoyed it. The actors were charming, and the film was so whimsical you just went along for the ride.

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2017 - 1:06 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Great main title:

http://www.chelsearialtostudios.com/lady_on_a_train.mp3

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2017 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Great main title:

http://www.chelsearialtostudios.com/lady_on_a_train.mp3


The more I hear this the more I am reminded of Alfred Newman's approach to theatrical comedy. Is this the indeed the only comedy (non-satire) he did?

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2017 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Great main title:

http://www.chelsearialtostudios.com/lady_on_a_train.mp3


The more I hear this the more I am reminded of Alfred Newman's approach to theatrical comedy. Is this the indeed the only comedy (non-satire) he did?



'Adam's Rib' is a magic Tracy/Hepburn battle of the sexes comedy, but Rozsa's music, sparsely used, is not a major player.

There was 'The Divorce of Lady X' in the Korda era with Olivier and Oberon.

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2017 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

He also contributed some score (uncredited) to the wonderful To Be Or Not To Be.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2017 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

And Rozsa's BECAUSE OF HIM (Universal with Deanna) was recorded by Elmer Bernstein on an LP with "Spellbound Concerto".

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2017 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Aside: Jimmy McHugh's Universal fanfare sounds as if it may have provided the nostalgic basis for John Williams' Superman theme.

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2017 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Gosh, Chelsea Rialto has an Mp3 clip of this. And Ray says, 'The more I hear this ....'

So you've been listening to it repeatedly, Ray, eh? Like you would if you were mastering a CD of the ORIGINAL SCORE like you do with all those great Tiomkin and Steiner, eh?... Eh? EH?!!!

I'm not hinting or anything. EH?

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2017 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Dammit, it was Morricone who said, 'The more I hear this....'

But Ray still has an Mp3.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2017 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Thanks for posting this, Henry, and thanks, Ray, for the Main Title. I've still never seen this one, unfortunately, but being a Rozsa AND a Durbin fan, I'm glad to read your positive reaction. Until it was mentioned above, I was going to cite THE DIVORCE OF LADY X as the first Rozsa comedy score I saw/heard. And actually, one can hear his similar approach to the comedic scenes in THIEF OF BAGDAD, and perhaps some other "straight" pictures. BRUTE FORCE comes to mind, (a Chaplinesque interlude, also heard in his "Mark Hellinger"/"Background to Violence" Suite). I hope you get to enjoy BECAUSE OF HIM some day. Naturally there's miore music than Bernstein had room for on his anthology LP.

Yavar, just a few nights ago I screened TO BE OR NOT TO BE for some friends, and I remarked how I'd heard that Rozsa had contributed to it anonymously, but that nothing in the score had struck me as Rozsa-esque. I wish I could have laid my hands on my copy of his autobiography. Do you know if he discussed that assignment, or do you know through any other venue which section of the music was his?

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2017 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Gosh, Chelsea Rialto has an Mp3 clip of this. And Ray says, 'The more I hear this ....'

So you've been listening to it repeatedly, Ray, eh? Like you would if you were mastering a CD of the ORIGINAL SCORE like you do with all those great Tiomkin and Steiner, eh?... Eh? EH?!!!

I'm not hinting or anything. EH?


No, I have about ten hours of main/end title sequences that I've put together over the years. All taken from composite tracks. I plug a thumbdrive in my car xm system and put it on shuffle. Sure keeps me awake on that hour-forty-five commute every morning!! It's my Main Title Extravaganza.

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2017 - 11:30 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


Yavar, just a few nights ago I screened TO BE OR NOT TO BE for some friends, and I remarked how I'd heard that Rozsa had contributed to it anonymously, but that nothing in the score had struck me as Rozsa-esque. I wish I could have laid my hands on my copy of his autobiography. Do you know if he discussed that assignment, or do you know through any other venue which section of the music was his?


I think it may have been just one cue/sequence (possibly re-used). I'll have to watch the film again soon to double check, but I actually remember the music sounding clearly like Rozsa to me when I saw the film, which was before I even knew he had worked on it uncredited. Since his name wasn't on the picture I guess I assumed someone was just writing in a similar style. I think maybe it was for a more serious moment involving Robert Stack's character, but hey this was quite a few years ago and I'm overdue for a rewatch.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2017 - 11:43 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

You'll have a blast. Enjoy -- and thank you.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2017 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)


Yavar, just a few nights ago I screened TO BE OR NOT TO BE for some friends, and I remarked how I'd heard that Rozsa had contributed to it anonymously, but that nothing in the score had struck me as Rozsa-esque. I wish I could have laid my hands on my copy of his autobiography. Do you know if he discussed that assignment, or do you know through any other venue which section of the music was his?


I think it may have been just one cue/sequence (possibly re-used). I'll have to watch the film again soon to double check, but I actually remember the music sounding clearly like Rozsa to me when I saw the film, which was before I even knew he had worked on it uncredited. Since his name wasn't on the picture I guess I assumed someone was just writing in a similar style. I think maybe it was for a more serious moment involving Robert Stack's character, but hey this was quite a few years ago and I'm overdue for a rewatch.

Yavar


I remember that music too, and how it struck me as being quite clearly Rózsa. Haven't seen the film for a few years... perhaps a chase scene in the first half?

P.S. What about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuRcwikuztE starting at about the 27-min mark. The cue starts before that, but it only really begins to really sound like Rózsa around that point. At least to me.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2017 - 5:30 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I think the above post might be spam - I didn't click on the link because I didn't want to get venereal disease.

I've corrected the Tube link. You should be able to get to it now.

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2017 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


Yavar, just a few nights ago I screened TO BE OR NOT TO BE for some friends, and I remarked how I'd heard that Rozsa had contributed to it anonymously, but that nothing in the score had struck me as Rozsa-esque. I wish I could have laid my hands on my copy of his autobiography. Do you know if he discussed that assignment, or do you know through any other venue which section of the music was his?


I think it may have been just one cue/sequence (possibly re-used). I'll have to watch the film again soon to double check, but I actually remember the music sounding clearly like Rozsa to me when I saw the film, which was before I even knew he had worked on it uncredited. Since his name wasn't on the picture I guess I assumed someone was just writing in a similar style. I think maybe it was for a more serious moment involving Robert Stack's character, but hey this was quite a few years ago and I'm overdue for a rewatch.

Yavar


The following information is available on the Rozsa Society website:

TO BE OR NOT TO BE (1942)
Rozsa scored only one sequence, the parachute drop into Poland, when director Lubitsch insisted that Werner Heymann's contribution wouldn't do. Composed one afternoon at the studio, the music is suitably dynamic but of insufficient length or relation to the rest of the film to make much of an impression.

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2017 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

That sounds right. And it definitely sounded like Rozsa to me when I first heard it in college.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2017 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

So, you're right, Yavar, and thanks again. When paying attention to the cue instead of the movie, I hear what you heard, not only sounding like Rozsa but very specifically Rozsa writing for Korda. And of course the quote from the Rozsa Society site clinches it. (Thanks, Doug!)

BTW, FWIW, too bad about that Youtube video, speeding up the film and concealing a lot of the image -- a double whammy. Youtube has a much better version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnlV1XWBQPY&t=32s

 
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