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 Posted:   May 21, 2017 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   dashrr   (Member)


The title card should read:

Music Composed by Jerry Goldsmith
Conducted by Jed Clampett (or whatever his name is)
adding boring underscore
all under the direction of Ridley Scott apologizing to
Jerry for his and Terry Rawlings meddling 38 years ago!

I say this because Jerry's originally intended main title finally gets to be heard as A L I E N forms the title sequence exactly as it did in 1979.

Additionally, the 2 note flute effect is heard throughout, and, in one final posthumous apology to Jerry, Ridley finally gives Jerry's theme the End Title sequence as opposed to the Howard Hansen ending in we got in '79.


 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2017 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   CCOJOE   (Member)

There is just no pleasing some people. How about simply enjoying the fact that we can STILL hear Goldsmith's music in a new Alien film thirteen years after the composer's death and thirty-six years after it was written for the first film?

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2017 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

All I can say is . . . Sir Ridley must be reading Film Score Monthly! smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2017 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   dashrr   (Member)

ccojoe - it has nothing to do with pleasing anyone just an observation. the film is ok, not great but why not use Jed Kurzels entire score?

Was Ridley not confident enough to use a complete new score? the excerpts in the movie where the Goldsmith theme is used is evident that either the director was paying homage or 'apologizing' (so to speak).

I will tell you I will never forget seeing the original film on opening night 38 years ago and full of tension and terror throughout and totally mesmerized until that acid scene and suddenly FREUD main title fills the screen completely distracting the experience for me (although I know most of the audience didn't know). I agree only with the main title change (the scarier version works better) but they should have used Jerry's intended music for the rest of the picture. Still, it is a masterpiece of film and score, alternates notwithstanding.

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2017 - 9:48 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

For anyone interested, Phil Cobb is the trumpet solo for the rerecorded Goldsmith stuff. Which is pretty nifty, seeing as how Maurice Murphy I believe played the solos the first time around, and Cobb succeed Murphy as principal trumpet of the LSO (and has a sound and confidence to his playing that is scary similar). Beautiful playing in both imo

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2017 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Neat! I’m a big fan of the film and the score is one of my favorites from this year. I hope Kurzel is brought back should they make another sequel. Would love to see how David’s planet turns out.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2017 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Neat! I’m a big fan of the film and the score is one of my favorites from this year. I hope Kurzel is brought back should they make another sequel. Would love to see how David’s planet turns out.

I'm with you, Mutant. I'm mystified at the backlash this film gets. Look, nothing is going to be A L I E N and that's the way it should be - the movie is a classic. That doesn't mean we don't have a very decent sequel in ALIEN: COVENANT. Visually stunning and, for me, riveting from start to finish. And Jed's score uses Jerry's themes in perfect balance.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2017 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I am with Accidental Genius and The Mutant. I too liked the movie and really enjoyed hearing Goldsmith's theme rise like the Phoenix. I also want Scott to do another Alien movie because I want to see what Dastardly David will do with all those little "buggers" he will develop on that space ship.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2017 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

I am with Accidental Genius and The Mutant. I too liked the movie and really enjoyed hearing Goldsmith's theme rise like the Phoenix. I also want Scott to do another Alien movie because I want to see what Dastardly David will do with all those little "buggers" he will develop on that space ship.

Indeed. My only disappointment was that I saw the ending coming a million miles away. Not sure if that was on purpose (we're meant to feel the dread even more because we know something the protagonist doesn't), but it felt as though it was designed to be a shock for us. It wasn't. Minor gripe.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2017 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

What will the true Engineers make of a 'twitchy' robot (made by another species) tinkering around with their Meccano-like back goo willy nilly?

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2017 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I am with Accidental Genius and The Mutant. I too liked the movie and really enjoyed hearing Goldsmith's theme rise like the Phoenix. I also want Scott to do another Alien movie because I want to see what Dastardly David will do with all those little "buggers" he will develop on that space ship.

Indeed. My only disappointment was that I saw the ending coming a million miles away. Not sure if that was on purpose (we're meant to feel the dread even more because we know something the protagonist doesn't), but it felt as though it was designed to be a shock for us. It wasn't. Minor gripe.


According to Scott, it was supposed to be telegraphed. It was just a question of when he revealed himself and what he was going to do. I really like that ending, and I certainly hope they follow it up with just one more film.

I also wonder if Walter survived and repaired himself - and is now living alone on Planet 4 (along with one surviving neomorph). Would be cool to see him commandeer an old engineer ship and go looking for Daniels.

There is a prequel book out now called Alien: Origins by Alan Dean Foster that I'm currently reading. It focuses on the crew of the Covenant on Earth as they prepare their journey and recruit all the staff while being threatened by baddies who don't want the mission to launch because they believe it will bring the end of humankind. Pretty good so far.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2017 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)



Conducted by Jed Clampett (or whatever his name is)


Made me laugh!

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2017 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

- According to Scott, it was supposed to be telegraphed. It was just a question of when he revealed himself and what he was going to do. I really like that ending, and I certainly hope they follow it up with just one more film.

I have a hard time believing that when you take into account that David replicates the wounds Walter sustained during their fight even though NO ONE ELSE was there to witness those wounds being inflicted. When you do that in a film, it's not meant to fool the characters, it's meant to fool the audience. Scott saying that it was always intended that the audience know that it was David is like Tommy Wiseau saying that The Room was always meant to be a comedy.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2017 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

- According to Scott, it was supposed to be telegraphed. It was just a question of when he revealed himself and what he was going to do. I really like that ending, and I certainly hope they follow it up with just one more film.

I have a hard time believing that when you take into account that David replicates the wounds Walter sustained during their fight even though NO ONE ELSE was there to witness those wounds being inflicted. When you do that in a film, it's not meant to fool the characters, it's meant to fool the audience. Scott saying that it was always intended that the audience know that it was David is like Tommy Wiseau saying that The Room was always meant to be a comedy.


I see what you’re saying. I’m not sure it’s meant to “fool” the audience though, but it’s definitely supposed to raise the question.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2017 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Mateo Sanboval   (Member)

- According to Scott, it was supposed to be telegraphed. It was just a question of when he revealed himself and what he was going to do. I really like that ending, and I certainly hope they follow it up with just one more film.

I have a hard time believing that when you take into account that David replicates the wounds Walter sustained during their fight even though NO ONE ELSE was there to witness those wounds being inflicted. When you do that in a film, it's not meant to fool the characters, it's meant to fool the audience. Scott saying that it was always intended that the audience know that it was David is like Tommy Wiseau saying that The Room was always meant to be a comedy.


AKA The Birdemic Defense

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2017 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Question for those that have the soundtrack:

If one wanted to compile a mini-soundtrack album focussed only on the cues that feature Goldsmith material, which tracks would one select?

Did Kurzel compose any cues that fit stylistically with the Goldsmith material (in other words, that don't consist of ambient droning and stingers)?

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2017 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Question for those that have the soundtrack:

If one wanted to compile a mini-soundtrack album focussed only on the cues that feature Goldsmith material, which tracks would one select?

Did Kurzel compose any cues that fit stylistically with the Goldsmith material (in other words, that don't consist of ambient droning and stingers)?


Dead Civilization
Sails (great cue)
The Covenant
Planet 4/Main Theme
Wheat Field
Survivors
Alien Covenant Theme

 
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