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 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Roger says


Goldenagers will delight in this mid-50s release, featuring the premiere appearance of this score by one of Golden Age's greats! Never released in any format, except on LP, but not really. And there's two meanings behind that comment!


http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7437

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   Valiant65   (Member)

I'm thinking "High and the Mighty" (1954) by Dimitri Tiomkin. Only had an LP release with two tracks on Elmer Bernstein's Film Music Collection in 1979.

Any other suggestions?

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

I'm thinking "High and the Mighty" (1954) by Dimitri Tiomkin. Only had an LP release with two tracks on Elmer Bernstein's Film Music Collection in 1979.

Any other suggestions?


Looks like a good shout, I really hope it is the "High and the Mighty"!

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Any other suggestions?

1955

Walter Schumann's The Night of the Hunter

1956

Herschel Burke Gilbert's Comanche
Alex North's The Bad Seed
Philip Sainton's Moby Dick
Dimitri Tiomkin's Friendly Persuasion
Victor Young's Run of the Arrow

1957

Daniele Amfitheatrof's The Spanish Affair
Hugo Friedhofer's The Sun Also Rises
The Strange One by Kenyon Hopkins

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

It seems as if it could be Max Steiner´s THE CAINE MUTINY - there was an LP of the film´s dialogue highlights, but with almost no score on it. And it has often been said on this board that the original music tracks may still exist at RCA as a music only LP had at first been planned in 1954. Have those music tracks been found now?

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Very interesting.

"Hight and the Mighty" LP re-recording cues were also released on CD, and does a better source than the unmentionable exists? (I hope!). So I doubt...

I'm not sure about your guesses Zardov, since most of them had standard LP releases (then why the "not really"), or a CD release. Then maybe "Moby Dick" but the composer does not fit the clues. The only one that fits is "Sun Also Rises" for which the LP is presumably not the full underscore?

How about:

Max Steiner - Last command
Max Steiner - Come next spring
Max Steiner - So Big
Tiomkin - Night passage

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

"Never released in any format, except on LP, but not really."

This definitely points to one of the following:

1. Released on an LP with dialogue
2. Re-recorded as a suite or single track at some point
3. It was an "unofficial" LP
4. The LP was a pop album that didn't resemble what's heard in the film

"Night of the Hunter" would be pretty amazing, and it fits, except I don't think Walter Schumann -while certainly admired - is considered "one of Golden Age's greats."

I'm always excited to hear when a 1950s score is getting a release, so I'm interested in whatever it is.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Yes Caine Mutiny seems the most likely!

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Yes Caine Mutiny seems the most likely!

The score isn't among Steiner's major accomplishments...and there is very little of it as I recall.

It's collectability was due to its scarceness after the play's author demanded the LP be withdrawn because of the dialogue.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Any other suggestions?

1955

Walter Schumann's The Night of the Hunter

1956

Herschel Burke Gilbert's Comanche
Alex North's The Bad Seed
Philip Sainton's Moby Dick
Dimitri Tiomkin's Friendly Persuasion
Victor Young's Run of the Arrow

1957

Daniele Amfitheatrof's The Spanish Affair
Hugo Friedhofer's The Sun Also Rises
The Strange One by Kenyon Hopkins


"Friendly Persuasion" was released on CD by Varese Sarabande.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I'm not sure about your guesses Zardov, since most of them had standard LP releases (then why the "not really"), or a CD release.

My thought is that this mystery item had a standard LP release, but its recorded content was not culled from the original film studio scoring sessions.
For example, Tiomkin's music on that Unique LP for Friendly Persuasion might have been a separate recording done just for album purposes and not sourced from the RKO elements.
For another, The Bad Seed LP contains musical takes/versions that are not heard in the film (and some music heard in the film are not on the LP).

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   JEC   (Member)

"The Caine Mutiny" is the only one that fits "there's two meanings behind that comment".

1) LP contained mostly dialog.
2) LP was not officially released.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'm not sure about your guesses Zardov, since most of them had standard LP releases (then why the "not really"), or a CD release.

My thought is that this mystery item had a standard LP release, but its recorded content was not culled from the original film studio scoring sessions.


Most LP releases were re-recordings, but there would need to be something "extra" false or non-standard to account for Roger's double meaning. Maybe the "LP" was one of those flexible vinyl inserts, not a real LP. I dont think a bootleg would cover the double meaning.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

Very interesting.

"Hight and the Mighty" LP re-recording cues were also released on CD, and does a better source than the unmentionable exists? (I hope!). So I doubt...

I'm not sure about your guesses Zardov, since most of them had standard LP releases (then why the "not really"), or a CD release. Then maybe "Moby Dick" but the composer does not fit the clues. The only one that fits is "Sun Also Rises" for which the LP is presumably not the full underscore?

How about:

Max Steiner - Last command
Max Steiner - Come next spring
Max Steiner - So Big
Tiomkin - Night passage


It would be great if it was Friedhofer's The Sun Also Rises(1957), or any of those mentioned above especially Tiomkin's wonderful, Night Passage(1957), which did come out partly on that unofficial Cinema LP 8012.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

What about "The Man Who Knew Too Much"?

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

What about "The Man Who Knew Too Much"?

I don't think there's anything that could be considered an LP of Man Who Knew Too Much, is there? (wonderful as that would be for a new Intrada).

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   JSDouglas   (Member)

Another possibility - although I admit it's a long shot - is SALOME by George Duning (1953).

Decca released a kind of EP for the film with dialogue excerpts mixed in with the score.

I would be (pleasantly) surprised if original tracks survived for any Columbia film of this vintage and that would apply to THE CAINE MUTINY as well.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I would be (pleasantly) surprised if original tracks survived for any Columbia film of this vintage and that would apply to THE CAINE MUTINY as well.

Just think about what happened with ON THE WATERFRONT!
And read what Ray Faiola had already posted here in 2002:

"Nevertheless, rumors persist that a Steiner score master exists at RCA. This has been further aggravated by the fact that BMG has had, for a year now, a forthcoming CD of THE CAINE MUTINY. But there is no information on this album anywhere."
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=10898&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   JSDouglas   (Member)


Just think about what happened with ON THE WATERFRONT!
And read what Ray Faiola had already posted here in 2002:

"Nevertheless, rumors persist that a Steiner score master exists at RCA. This has been further aggravated by the fact that BMG has had, for a year now, a forthcoming CD of THE CAINE MUTINY. But there is no information on this album anywhere."
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=10898&forumID=1&archive=1


You make a compelling point! I'm all in if it comes to pass!

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2017 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

What about "The Man Who Knew Too Much"?

I don't think there's anything that could be considered an LP of Man Who Knew Too Much, is there? (wonderful as that would be for a new Intrada).



But Doris Day stuff from the film was issued on LP. Maybe that's why the clue says "not really" (not really the score) when referring to an lp release?

 
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