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 Posted:   Jun 7, 2017 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   soundtrackscollector   (Member)

I know probably there was many times asked this subject, but for today - what are the chances to see expanded complete soundtracks or scores albums to most 1980s movies with Roger Moore?
Is EON or Danjaq still the problem? When these folks realize that they're loosing big money not releasing or giving access to do the job such brilliant persons like Mike Mattessino? The market I think is huge for such a releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2017 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I know probably there was many times asked this subject, but for today - what are the chances to see expanded complete soundtracks or scores albums to most 1980s movies with Roger Moore?
Is EON or Danjaq still the problem? When these folks realize that they're loosing big money not releasing or giving access to do the job such brilliant persons like Mike Mattessino? The market I think is huge for such a releases.


Right now, it seems even impossible to start another Bond film production - so don´t think for a second EON will give us more expanded scores. They just don´t care for the minuscule score collector market.

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2017 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   A. A. Ron   (Member)

The market I think is huge for such a releases.

I mean, it might be. The kickstarter for Moonraker was evidence of this. But still, just because you, I and FSM would buy it, well, that doesn't mean anyone else would.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2017 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

If there is any film franchise that would appeal to a larger market than just film score fans, it would be James Bond. Beyond the name and the number, each film comes with its own radio-friendly pop song for crying out loud. Sometimes two.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2017 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

It takes big money.. Too release the entire Moore collection.. to much risk no reward, many of these scores don't sell out, I would buy them though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2017 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

If there is any film franchise that would appeal to a larger market than just film score fans, it would be James Bond. Beyond the name and the number, each film comes with its own radio-friendly pop song for crying out loud. Sometimes two.

But there are already existing albums for all of the films. Only a tiny percentage of Bond fans would be willing to shell out $20 per film for the extra orchestral tracks. I've met Bond freaks who owned collections of the theme songs and no other Bond music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2017 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

If they're newly packaged and released to coincide with a big Bond event—say, Skyfall's 50th anniversary extravaganza in 2012—the masses will buy what's put in front of them. They won't care (or even know?) that there's an alternative The Spy Who Loved Me CD from 15 years ago available for half the price and with just a third of the music that's available on the new one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2017 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

If they're newly packaged and released to coincide with a big Bond event—say, Skyfall's 50th anniversary extravaganza in 2012—the masses will buy what's put in front of them. They won't care (or even know?) that there's an alternative The Spy Who Loved Me CD from 15 years ago available for half the price and with just a third of the music that's available on the new one.

I don't see it, but what do I know.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2017 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The market I think is huge for such a releases.

I mean, it might be. The kickstarter for Moonraker was evidence of this. But still, just because you, I and FSM would buy it, well, that doesn't mean anyone else would.


Ah, but Moonraker isn't only the best Bond score, it's the best Bond film.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2017 - 10:28 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

It's funny how Star Trek got "the Star Trek treatment" with each film getting a complete score release, while that's out of the question for several other franchises.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2017 - 10:48 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

If they're newly packaged and released to coincide with a big Bond event—say, Skyfall's 50th anniversary extravaganza in 2012—the masses will buy what's put in front of them. They won't care (or even know?) that there's an alternative The Spy Who Loved Me CD from 15 years ago available for half the price and with just a third of the music that's available on the new one.

I don't see it, but what do I know.


A good case in point would be the Star Wars Ultimate Edition just put out last year by Disney, and that's a franchise that hasn't been in the public eye as consistently as James Bond and whose core fanbase are guys who were kids in the 70s/80s. And the new edition just put out doesn't even have any new music (to my knowledge). How many Star Wars fans don't already own all this music already? Yet they clearly see the potential for a profit in it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2017 - 12:11 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

A good case in point would be the Star Wars Ultimate Edition just put out last year by Disney, and that's a franchise that hasn't been in the public eye as consistently as James Bond and whose core fanbase are guys who were kids in the 70s/80s. And the new edition just put out doesn't even have any new music (to my knowledge). How many Star Wars fans don't already own all this music already? Yet they clearly see the potential for a profit in it.


I'm with you in the hope department, but Star Wars is one of the world's major religions. To the general public, James Bond is only as good as his latest film, and only while it's in the theaters. The song "Skyfall" had some life outside the film, but even that big hit faded with the movie's theatrical run.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2017 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

If we're talking public popularity, I think it's really splitting hairs to say which is bigger: Star Wars or James Bond.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2017 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

If we're talking public popularity, I think it's really splitting hairs to say which is bigger: Star Wars or James Bond.

The level of public involvement is completely different.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2017 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

If we're talking public popularity, I think it's really splitting hairs to say which is bigger: Star Wars or James Bond.

Star Wars is massively bigger than James Bond. Adjusted for inflation Moonraker is about the 3rd most profitable Bond film. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2017 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

If we're talking public popularity, I think it's really splitting hairs to say which is bigger: Star Wars or James Bond.

Star Wars is massively bigger than James Bond.



Agreed. There's no comparison. I love them both, but every SW film released -- even the ones everyone claims to hate -- enters the top ten highest grossing films of all time (at least at its time of release, with the possible exception of "Attack of the Clones"). That's not even getting into other merchandising.

And my bet would be, if you released say, a 3000 Edition of the expanded score to even one of the "dreaded" SW prequels, it would sell out quicker than the same number of a previously unreleased expanded Bond score. Sure, *both* would sell out, but the SW would sell out quicker, I'm pretty sure.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2017 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

It's funny how Star Trek got "the Star Trek treatment" with each film getting a complete score release, while that's out of the question for several other franchises.
EVERYTHING should get "The Star Trek Treatment." "The Star Trek Treatment" is a modern miracle.

After Star Wars, James Bond SHOULD definitely get "The Star Trek Treatment." But I imagine it won't.

(Didn't Star Trek get "The Lord of the Rings Treatment"?)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2017 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

How did the first round of Bond expansions sell?

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2017 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Guys, forget about trying to dismiss expanded Bond soundtracks on the grounds of lack of popularity. James Bond has a lot of fans. Besides, just look around you and see what's coming out. Are you really telling me that everything that's coming out is viable but James Bond soundtrack aren't?

The problem is, always has been, probably always will be, permissions from very proprietorial owners. If that could be overcome, I'm sure labels like La-La-Land would be all over these titles in a shot.

As to how the 2003 editions sold, I doubt anyone here would know, but remember that these weren't limited editions sold only through obscure internet stores that only fans know about. Worldwide, they'll have sold way more than the 3000 unit benchmark used here.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2017 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   SteveP   (Member)

Hopefully expanded releases from The Man With The Golden Gun onwards will be available sometime in the future – albeit probably distant. In the meantime, a smaller scale compromise, how about a rarities disk covering the already expanded/re-mastered discs. The unreleased music from Thunderball and OHMSS for a start, the Newley Goldfinger recordings, the Bassey/Warwick Thunderball recordings, and the Julie Rogers You Only Live Twice demo. And what of the first three films for which I believe music and effects tracks exist? Can some cleaning up and removal of sounds be done?

 
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