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 Posted:   Jul 20, 2017 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

He scored the massive hit movie Rocky IV in 1985, a couple of his tracks even made it to the soundtrack album. One year later he did Transformers The Movie, another film that can be considered a hit. Then, nothing, until a couple of low visibility features in the 2000s, and later some video games.

Why?

Didn't he receive ANY offers in the second part of the 80s, considering the style he specialized in was highly popular during those years? A LOT of synthesizer wizards worked steadily for many years. Not even TV stuff for Vince. I just don't get it.

Any theories?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2017 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

I'm no expert but I have a theory that literally popped in my head as I read your post so take it with a grain of salt.

Rocky IV was the first one in the series to be scored by someone other than Conti. It fit, but was possibly regarded as a step down. Transformers was an animated kids movie. Those two factors may have worked against it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2017 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I'd like to know who his agent was back then because having two huge films at the time he would have been hot for a moment and that's where the agent can really shine since Vince would have been the big guy on campus for a bit. Agent needs something to sell you on to people and Vince had Rocky IV which was a big hit especially the soundtrack as well as Transformers The Movie. My two cents too. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2017 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I don't know anything about him. Perhaps he wasn't all that interested in scoring films after all?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2017 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Well we know that he was noticed by Stallone because he worked with his brother Frank on "Staying Alive." This could of been a big reason why he had a chance for a big movie at that time. Stallone wanted a different sound from the previous and DiCola had what he was looking for. So I guess as they say, "It's all who you know." Reading Wikipedia (not the best source) they said he received a Razzie Award for Transformers. What do they know? But this could of been a blemish that turned other interests away. Just a opinion.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2017 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

*Sorry correction. He received a Razzie for a song on Rocky IV. Transformers was received well. But all the same I guess.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2017 - 9:05 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I never saw a Transformers movie, but I do like the training music in Rocky IV.

As for DiCola not getting more films than he did, I guess it goes to show how rarified the atmosphere is, up at that level. Many are called but few are chosen. He's a great overlooked talent, and I'm sure he has a lot of company in that regard.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2017 - 9:42 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

While "Rocky IV" was a hit, yes, it didn't get a lot of respect, and I don't think the music made a general impact (in the way the score for the first film did). I'm not knocking it (I actually barely know it), I'm just saying very few scores make enough of a general impact to lift a composer into the industry zeitgeist, and the fourth in a film series (the most famous tune of which was already established) was unlikely to do it. "Transformers" was not generally seen by adults who didn't have to bring their kids, and therefore didn't have much career impact, either.

The list of film professionals – not just composes – who almost broke through but didn't quite is very long indeed. Sometimes, these people are very talented. Some of it is just breaks.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)

You could ask the same question about Jan Hammer. OK, he scored a few B-movies right after Miami Vice, but nothing really important. Considering he scored MV, and had a massive hit with 'Crockett's Theme', he must 've been in demand. Perhaps they have other interests (being in a band, session work, etc.).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, it's weird. ROCKY IV is the best ROCKY score (IMO), and he was right there -- smack in the middle of the electropop wave in the 90s, with his own unique prog slant -- so there's really no reason he couldn't have had a sparkling career. But as others have said, the careers of Faltermeyer, Moroder, Hammer and other 80s synth pioneers also waned from the 90s onwards. They did stuff, but very little high profile.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

From what Bob DiMucci wrote on t'other side, DiCola got the Rocky 4 gig cos Conti opted out of it to work with John G Avildsen, as per his norm.
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From the John G Avildsen obit/tribute on NFSD.

"Bill Conti returned to do the music for Karate Kid II, choosing to score this movie instead of ROCKY IV (1985). Peter Cetera had originally written the song "Glory of Love" for ROCKY IV, but Sylvester Stallone rejected it in favor of "Hearts On Fire". Thus is was available for use in THE KARATE KID PART II"

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I like DiCola's ROCKY IV, but it wasn't well received winning a Razzie for worst score.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Yes, it's weird. ROCKY IV is the best ROCKY score (IMO), and he was right there -- smack in the middle of the electropop wave in the 90s, with his own unique prog slant -- so there's really no reason he couldn't have had a sparkling career. But as others have said, the careers of Faltermeyer, Moroder, Hammer and other 80s synth pioneers also waned from the 90s onwards. They did stuff, but very little high profile.

To the slag heap of time for all of 'em! A fitting fate for those who purvey the electronic sound-maker and eschew the righteous orchestra...

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I'd like to know who his agent was back then because having two huge films at the time he would have been hot for a moment and that's where the agent can really shine since Vince would have been the big guy on campus for a bit. Agent needs something to sell you on to people and Vince had Rocky IV which was a big hit especially the soundtrack as well as Transformers The Movie. My two cents too. smile

Maybe he didn't have an agent. I guess an agency like Gorfaine/Schwartz could have secured work for him.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I don't know anything about him. Perhaps he wasn't all that interested in scoring films after all?

I think he was. He also tried to get the Michael Bay Transformers film, but he never had a chance.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

While "Rocky IV" was a hit, yes, it didn't get a lot of respect, and I don't think the music made a general impact (in the way the score for the first film did).

I have to disagree. DiCola's tracks Training Montage and War are still being played at sports events all over the world, more than 30 years after the film was made.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

You could ask the same question about Jan Hammer. OK, he scored a few B-movies right after Miami Vice, but nothing really important. Considering he scored MV, and had a massive hit with 'Crockett's Theme', he must 've been in demand. Perhaps they have other interests (being in a band, session work, etc.).

At least Hammer worked steadily for about 10 years after Miami Vice. But yes, he also did stuff outside of the film medium.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Yes, it's weird. ROCKY IV is the best ROCKY score (IMO), and he was right there -- smack in the middle of the electropop wave in the 90s, with his own unique prog slant -- so there's really no reason he couldn't have had a sparkling career. But as others have said, the careers of Faltermeyer, Moroder, Hammer and other 80s synth pioneers also waned from the 90s onwards. They did stuff, but very little high profile.

DiCola didn't even wane, he stopped completely by 1987.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Yes, it's weird. ROCKY IV is the best ROCKY score (IMO), and he was right there -- smack in the middle of the electropop wave in the 90s, with his own unique prog slant -- so there's really no reason he couldn't have had a sparkling career. But as others have said, the careers of Faltermeyer, Moroder, Hammer and other 80s synth pioneers also waned from the 90s onwards. They did stuff, but very little high profile.

To the slag heap of time for all of 'em! A fitting fate for those who purvey the electronic sound-maker and eschew the righteous orchestra...


Clueless...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

To the slag heap of time for all of 'em! A fitting fate for those who purvey the electronic sound-maker and eschew the righteous orchestra...

Glad you had a 'smiley face' attached to that post, Dana.

 
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