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 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 12:00 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I think we all know what this is. How many scores can you name that belong to Rosenman where he used his famous Cue Ending Trademark? You may post audio examples too if you are so inclined.

Thanks.

Start listening at 4:20 which leads up to the famous LR Pyramid ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy7zZC1rcZ4

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Never counted 'em, but it's almost a signature of his and finds its way in one way or another many of his scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 3:11 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

I think we all know what this is. How many scores can you name that belong to Rosenman where he used his famous Cue Ending Trademark? You may post audio examples too if you are so inclined.

Thanks.

Start listening at 4:20 which leads up to the famous LR Pyramid ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy7zZC1rcZ4



Fantastic Voyage.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 4:06 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Almost all of them. I see it almost as a little in-joke, or a deliberate way to "sign" each piece of work, as an artist would put his name on a painting.

Perhaps a more interesting question (and the list would be shorter) is, "In which scores did Leonard Rosenman NOT use his trademark pyramid at the conclusion?"

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Almost all of them. I see it almost as a little in-joke, or a deliberate way to "sign" each piece of work, as an artist would put his name on a painting.


Rachamaninov did the exact same thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Concerto_No._3_(Rachmaninoff) : "The piece ends with the same four-note rhythm – claimed by some to be the composer's musical signature – as both the composer's second concerto and second symphony."

https://youtu.be/Y8mKsNTh4Kw?t=11m12s
https://youtu.be/wkci_fyEot8?t=13m28s
https://youtu.be/6wsoj7lpHRg?t=11m28s

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

What Graham said.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

And now for something completely different…

John Landis on THE CAR

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm actually cataloging his use of the tone pyramid in film and television scores. One day I hope to show the results.

I will say, having said that, without a doubt the best use thus far -- in my personal opinion -- is from "Keeper of the City" (the closing one). I used it to close out this suite I made; I edited various pieces of score into a suite (just try and spot the edits, I dares ya):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oaAKnasoJY

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Dig that ESP...as zoob was posting this, I had just finished a first listen of the recently received KEEPER album....was gonna post but decided against it.
Great album, that one. I love the Rosenman pyramids, a nice, familiar signature. Maybe John Walsh could catalogue composer signatures such as this....Jarre's tympani rollups, Goldsmith's open fifths, Horner's danger motif. ....

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Didn't Rosenman only write one score? smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

I remember a Quincy episode scored by Rosenman. It was funny hearing a pyramid even there. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Didn't Rosenman only write one score? smile

Actually, I think this is kind of true - he wrote one score, one loooooonnnnggg score, with lots of variety but pretty much exactly the same sound world. But I love every movement, and every pyramid (I first noticed them in Marcus Welby, I think).

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   MrScoreMan   (Member)

One of his many trademarks, indeed.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

I think we all know what this is. How many scores can you name that belong to Rosenman where he used his famous Cue Ending Trademark? You may post audio examples too if you are so inclined.

Thanks.

Start listening at 4:20 which leads up to the famous LR Pyramid ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy7zZC1rcZ4


I just flat out can't stand it. It is way more pervasive than Horners much hated "danger motif" ever was. It is used in virtually everyone of his films and it sounds so impossibly dated. That is the main if not only reason I don't have any of his scores save Star Trek IV. If I tried to fastfoward every time that damned motif is used I'd probably miss half of the score.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

gee Zoob, I knew you were into s & m but this is extreme even for you!

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I think we all know what this is. How many scores can you name that belong to Rosenman whe4

I just flat out can't stand it. It is way more pervasive than Horners much hated "danger motif" ever was. It is used in virtually everyone of his films and it sounds so impossibly dated. That is the main if not only reason I don't have any of his scores save Star Trek IV. If I tried to fastfoward every time that damned motif is used I'd probably miss half of the score.


You stole my thoughts exactly.
Unlistenable .

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   MrScoreMan   (Member)

"Fantastic Voyage" was loaded with them! As part of the cue and the endings.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Love the tone pyramids. Just don't like it when they're used too soon in-between each other or constantly throughout a score. I recall his "Lord of the Rings" score being a major offender in that department.

I'll take any random Rosenman score over Steve Price, Junxie XL, Hans Zimmer, and others, any day.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I just flat out can't stand it. It is way more pervasive than Horners much hated "danger motif" ever was. It is used in virtually everyone of his films and it sounds so impossibly dated. That is the main if not only reason I don't have any of his scores save Star Trek IV. If I tried to fastfoward every time that damned motif is used I'd probably miss half of the score.

You know, I never even noticed the "danger motif" as a thing. (Anytime I think of it, I think of Land Before Time.) There are lots of Hornerisms that stand out way more. That "dum dum, dum dum... dum dum dum" thing that he does at the beginning of Genesis Countdown and in Brainstorm and The Rocketeer for example. We used to call that "James' Theme".

Why is the Rosenman thing called a pyramid?

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

If Horner had used that danger motif way, way more sparingly, it wouldn't have been a big deal but he overused it so much it took away from earlier uses.

Take this scene which was a gripping emotional death scene -- now all I hear is the danger motif signaling Khan over and over and over again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAgVzK_UmoU

 
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