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 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 11:09 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

For me, the movie rocks for the first 18 minutes and 8 seconds with Kirk, Scotty and Chekov and then after the big Kirk event and we transition to the TNG Crew on the sailing ship, it just goes to shit.

Sorry. Those are my real feelings. I have watched it over and over again wanting to like it more and like the TNG crew and their story more, but I just can't. For me the TNG crew were never meant for the big screen and could never fill it with the spectacle and joy that the TOS cast brought to the feature films.

Kirk and Picard fry eggs together and then go horseback riding. Give me a break.

I love however listening to the DVD commentary with Braga and Moore basically admitting what a mess it is. Okay, I'll be in the Nexus, shampooing my hair with Nexus.




Please share your thoughts.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 11:19 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

It's kind of like BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES. The Opening couple of minutes with John Huston as the lawgiver taking us back storywise with images from the prior films is so cool and classy and then the movie starts and it sinks into garbage. For both films the potential for them being something really great is just lost. A shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb-mhtVJaRo

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 11:56 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

I liked the entire damned movie!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 12:35 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Like others, I enjoy the opening with Kirk but he movie goes massively downhill when the TNG crew appear - some of the acting is pretty awful (sorry but I've always thought Stewart over-eggs his performance as Picard) and the plot after the ribbon destroys the star the first time around is just so flawed it's ridiculous (Picard is in the nexus, has a boring Christmas with Whoopi, zips off to join up with Kirk, defeats Soran but... BUT.... he is still in the Nexus, right? So everything ever since in the TNG world must actually also be in the nexus).

I liked the Enterprise crash though - far better than the one in Star Trek Beyond (a film that I thought was generally pants).

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 2:47 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Meh.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 4:27 AM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)

In the 'Nexus', Picard is told he can travel back to whatever time-frame he wants. If he chose to go back to the first time he meets Soran and put him in confinement, none of the disaster would happen. Ofcourse, we wouldn't have the Enterprise crash a second time, we wouldn't have Picard and Kirk frying eggs, and Kirk wouldn't die !


Always thought the final episode of TNG 'All Good Things' was a much better offering than 'Generations'.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Disliked the entire film including the stuff with the TOS crew, other than the saucer crash sequence which was pretty cool effect for it's time.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Your real feelings on STAR TREK GENERATIONS

I hate it when you do that wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

In the 'Nexus', Picard is told he can travel back to whatever time-frame he wants. If he chose to go back to the first time he meets Soran and put him in confinement, none of the disaster would happen. Ofcourse, we wouldn't have the Enterprise crash a second time, we wouldn't have Picard and Kirk frying eggs, and Kirk wouldn't die !


Always thought the final episode of TNG 'All Good Things' was a much better offering than 'Generations'.


Picard always lectured on not changing the timeline, so I imagine that's the justification for his returning about the same time he entered the Nexus (but yeah, anyone else would have gone back a few days earlier). The thing that bothered me the most was killing off his brother and nephew - the family line - just to motivate his ordinary family fantasy (and temptation to stay in) in the Nexus. And that shitty effect of the shipping shaking while Scotty looks normal.

Hated the TNG finale All Good Things, although I liked seeing the characters aged in the future. The only Trek series finale I've liked is Voyager.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I love it. loved it from the preview showing in 1994, love it now. It's a very special film to me, totally unique in the Trek film series. It has PLENTY of flaws, but it will always hold a special place in my heart. Among those things that elevate the film is Dennis McCarthy's superb scoring. Very dreamlike and ethereal with some great action licks, it brought dramatic and thematic scoring back to the Berman Trek era.

Love it. Did I mention that I love it?

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Convincing crying scenes can be hard. Patrick Stewart's made me cringe with how fakey it was.
It's doubly unfortunate because we've seen him do better before.

Kirk's death was a complete waste, and not for one second was it justified by the dramatic requirements of the narrative.

But the TNG flicks had to start somewhere I guess.
An otherwise okay movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   Blimpboy   (Member)

It came across to me as if there were a list of story beats agreed to by Paramount, Shatner, Stewart and Spiner. And it was up to Braga and Moore to make them fit. Let's have the Klingons in it. We want a new Enterprise. Can we blow it up in a cool way? Kirk has to be reluctant to take command and sacrifices himself to save the ship. Picard needs a real emotional scene to show his range as an actor. Can Data have a story arc too? Shatner wants to ride a horse. Maybe something to get Spiner to agree to a three picture deal? And it would be really swell if we can have a part for Whoopi Goldberg. She's a big movie star you know.
Most of the TNG films have a similar process and it shows. The only story that feels organic is Insurrection. They are entertaining on a visceral level, but have little substance behind them as the better episodes did. That's the real shame as Trek stood for expanding the human condition. Wasted opportunity with these two iconic Captains meeting and cooking breakfast.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

If people thought 2001 was long and boring...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2017 - 12:39 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Convincing crying scenes can be hard. Patrick Stewart's made me cringe with how fakey it was.
It's doubly unfortunate because we've seen him do better before.


In the past, I've received some fairly incredulous reactions to my comments about Stewart's acting, but I honestly do think he is terrible as Picard.

He is without doubt a very good stage actor - I've seen him live twice. But the trouble is he seems to perform Picard in much the same way as he would portray Richard II, Falstaff or Malvolio - in other words, playing to the gallerys.

I remember Encounter At Farpoint back when TNG first launched and laughing out loud at the over-theatrical scenery chewing that Stewart brought the role, which I thought was just embarrassing. Although I very rapidly lost interest in TNG, the odd latter episodes I did see all the way through suggest that Picard did become less stiff over time, but always remained poorly acted - I just found him utterly unconvincing.

Still, at least Stewart wasn't the most hammy actor in that universe. That accolade goes to Avery Brooks. I always perversely kind of wanted Sisko to be in a Trek movie just to see how terrible he was on the big screen.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2017 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

In the past, I've received some fairly incredulous reactions to my comments about Stewart's acting, but I honestly do think he is terrible as Picard.
He is without doubt a very good stage actor - I've seen him live twice. But the trouble is he seems to perform Picard in much the same way as he would portray Richard II, Falstaff or Malvolio - in other words, playing to the gallerys.



Well, this is the thing exactly.
He comes across the best when he pulls back and plays it "small", and some subtlety and nuance is given some breathing space. The TV camera captures it, whereas the balcony won't. There are many nice bits like that scattered throughout the 7 years.
And I think it wouldn't be far off the mark to say that his performances of Picard became more relaxed and less "actor-ly" as he, himself, became more settled into the family of which he'd become a part.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2017 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

Generations was a complete rush-job, and it shows. It and the series finale "All Good Things" were being written and produced almost simultaneously, and "All Good Things" got the most attention, and as a result was far better than the movie. Then they needed to get Generations out of the way so they could start full-time production on Voyager. I don't dislike the movie, but it definitely does have a disjointed feel, and is kind of all over the place. Another two or three rewrites of the script, and maybe another year to prepare would have vastly improved the final product, I think.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2017 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

It works much better than it should. I find it somewhat more entertaining that other Trek movies that are better scripted. I find it more pleasantly entertaining than Into Darkness. The script of Generations has some holes for sure, Braga and Moore admit that on the commentary track. But in spite of itself, it works fairly well, the scale of the production, the quality of the effects and the cinematography and the score are extremely good.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2017 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I'm certainly a fan of GENERATIONS but I realize its shortcomings... some of my reasons are quite personal (well, I guess all our subjective tastes are personal) and spelled out in a post about on my blog, if anyone is interested in learning more:

http://ascoretosettle.blogspot.com/2014/06/star-trek-generations-1994.html

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2017 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

On the whole, very positive...except for the shoehorning of Klingons into the story for inexplicable reasons.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2017 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

For me, the movie rocks for the first 18 minutes and 8 seconds with Kirk, Scotty and Chekov and then after the big Kirk event and we transition to the TNG Crew on the sailing ship, it just goes to shit.

Sorry. Those are my real feelings. I have watched it over and over again wanting to like it more and like the TNG crew and their story more, but I just can't. For me the TNG crew were never meant for the big screen and could never fill it with the spectacle and joy that the TOS cast brought to the feature films.

Kirk and Picard fry eggs together and then go horseback riding. Give me a break.

I love however listening to the DVD commentary with Braga and Moore basically admitting what a mess it is. Okay, I'll be in the Nexus, shampooing my hair with Nexus.




Please share your thoughts.



The above. Yep.

I've never ever cared for TNG really. They just didn't have the personality or chemistry of the original crew. It may be more to do with the material they were given - um, an android named Data - really?? Of course the TV series was successful... but ask anyone on the street who Kirk and Spock are, most folks will know it's Star Trek even if they never watched the show. But ask folks who Picard and Geordie are, you'd probably draw a blank from more than half.

I enjoyed First Contact, but otherwise found the other TNG movies to be awful.

 
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