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 Posted:   Sep 28, 2017 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


This new Trek is just another mindless war story with deeply flawed characters, one who betrayed her mentor of seven years (who just promised her a Captains chair!) on a whim.


I just watched the first 2 episodes of Discovery and I'm sorry Sol - I can't agree with that statement.

Michael did not betray her Captain "on a whim". She consulted another trusted mentor to find out how his race had successfully negotiated with Klingons. She had her own experiences with Klingons and had studied them, knowing their history and how they operate. Michael was well informed and made a considered decision.

Everything her Captain (and friend) was doing, she saw as leading to disaster. And she was right. The Captain was not listening to her friend and trusted protege.

In desperation, she tried to take control of the situation to save her crew and her Captain.


I hardly call that a decision based "on a whim"


Yeah, "fire first ask questions later". Really?


Yeah. Because "we come in peace" worked so well for everyone.


At least you have the higher moral ground, and not responsible for starting a war that will kill hundreds or millions of individuals.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2017 - 2:01 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)



Yeah, "fire first ask questions later". Really?


Yeah. Because "we come in peace" worked so well for everyone.

At least you have the higher moral ground, and not responsible for starting a war that will kill hundreds or millions of individuals.

The irony being that the "we come in peace" approach WAS responsible for the start of the war. But at least you have higher moral ground to stand on.

The point was that Klingons respect a fighter. The whole war could have been averted if Michael had been successful.

And the fact that we're even discussing this means that the writers of the show did their job. They took a number of viewpoints and made them all seem right. But who was.....righter??

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2017 - 2:03 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

DP

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2017 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)


And the fact that we're even discussing this means that the writers of the show did their job. They took a number of viewpoints and made them all seem right. But who was.....righter??


The writers are righter, whatever that means. At least we're not talking about that imitation thing.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2017 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The more I think about it the more I hate the writing in the pilot. Not paying to see the rest, so enjoy.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2017 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

The more I think about it the more I hate the writing in the pilot. Not paying to see the rest, so enjoy.

Sorry that logical discussion of the Pilot ruined your enjoyment of it

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2017 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The more I think about it the more I hate the writing in the pilot. Not paying to see the rest, so enjoy.

Sorry that logical discussion of the Pilot ruined your enjoyment of it


I'm all for discussion, we all made our points clear. No reason to beat a dead horse.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2017 - 11:24 PM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

The more I think about it the more I hate the writing in the pilot. Not paying to see the rest, so enjoy.

Sorry that logical discussion of the Pilot ruined your enjoyment of it


I'm all for discussion, we all made our points clear. No reason to beat a dead horse.


Agreed

And I hope to enjoy it. I wouldn't call myself a Star Trek fan...more of a Sci-Fi fan. Although from what I've read the show appears to take a different tone once from the pilot episodes...

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2017 - 2:36 AM   
 By:   pzfan   (Member)

BEST Star Trek episodes I've ever watched.
But it's not saying much, because they're ONLY Star Trek TV episodes I've ever seen.

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2017 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

BEST Star Trek episodes I've ever watched.
But it's not saying much, because they're ONLY Star Trek TV episodes I've ever seen.


Your avatar visually illustrates my reaction while watching the pilot.

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2017 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

BEST Star Trek episodes I've ever watched.
But it's not saying much, because they're ONLY Star Trek TV episodes I've ever seen.


...that's just sad.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2017 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

So Episode 3 "Context Is for Kings" was basically the true pilot following the prequel telefilm that was last week's episodes, I guess.

I like Jason Isaacs but why do they keep saddling him with bad accents?

Who thought it would be a good idea to make the science/exploration aspect of this show about figuring out instatravel along the hyphae of the astrofungus?

Also, it keeps niggling at me. I can understand the infamy of being Starfleet's first mutineer. What I can't understand is why people blame Burnham for the war. (That said, I also don't understand why she didn't have her phaser set to stun last episode. . .)

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2017 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I accidentally clicked on a review and the dude just went into a total anti SJW/Liberal rant.
It was pretty hilarious. Star Trek was always a show with a progressive vision, so when he was referring to the good old days of classic Trek it left me scratching my head. What did he think he's been watching for the last 45 years?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2017 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   spiderich   (Member)

Also, it keeps niggling at me. I can understand the infamy of being Starfleet's first mutineer. What I can't understand is why people blame Burnham for the war. (That said, I also don't understand why she didn't have her phaser set to stun last episode. . .)

To quote myself: "If not for her carelessness when scouting the (then unknown) Klingon ship, she wouldn't have been in the situation of having to defend herself (& subsequently killing the Klingon)". That act provided the wannabe-king Klingon (WKK) with the excuse he needed in order to rally the other tribes to "his" Klingon war.

In a way, it was a trap set by WKK, and Michael fell for it. That's how I see it at least. Hubris on Michael's part, perhaps?

I'll watch the 4th episode, but if more likable characters aren't brought on-board (pun intended), then that will be it for me. I don't like the new science guy, and I don't like Michael's new roommate...way too annoying, and seemed to be somewhat of a "sci-fi/fantasy fan" stereotype, IMHO.

Richard G.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2017 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

I've seen the 2-part Pilot, and the first ep on-board The Discovery.

I like this show- it has many good things in common with something like 'Dark Matter' or 'Expanse'.
But those are different shows than ST was ever meant to be.
Still, It's very watchable.

But- there are many time-line problems. This could have been fixed by renaming the alien bad guys and setting this after ST-Nemesis (but before the non-sensical destruction of Romulus).
That way you get a super-futuristic show with all the bells & whistles without violating Prime canon.
In actuality, it may be a 2nd reboot. I think it is best to think of it as such.

Anyway- what unexplored part of real canon is this show supposed to be exploring? Did 'Prelude to Axenar' actually beat them to the punch?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2017 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

After a dull start, the third episode was quite entertaining. I thought it came across like a less frivolous Doctor Who episode. I mean, a proper monster and everything! While I don't like sfx taking over anything, the mix of visuals, plot, character, action and general sf fun seemed reasonably balanced this time.

But, what have they done to the Klingons? I mean, why? Why encase them in yet more prosthetics and costume, not to mention more vocally challenged? There were an alien race, now they are more in the area of monsters. Big step back in this area for me.

 
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