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 Posted:   Oct 18, 2017 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

Link: http://www.dailywire.com/news/22420/screenwriter-heres-epic-thing-carrie-fisher-did-james-barrett?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=101817news&utm_campaign=Position1

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2017 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Double post.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2017 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Link: http://www.dailywire.com/news/22420/screenwriter-heres-epic-thing-carrie-fisher-did-james-barrett?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=101817news&utm_campaign=Position1


I keep hearing (rightful) condemnations of those who knew about Harvey Weinstein and yet enabled him by keeping quiet about who this abuser was. That's how he was able to keep going for so many years, racking up more and more victims. Everybody kept his name out of the paper with respect to sexual assault allegations.

And now I keep seeing women "come forward" to announce that they were victims of workplace abuse, but protect the abusers' names. These women want public sympathy, but they won't lift a finger to protect women who are next in line for their abuser's attention.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Aye, it's a sorry state of affairs when these abused women can't name their tormentors because they've already taken a pay off and signed a contract of silence so as not to harm their careers.
What a sick, sorry and twisted place this dream palace called Hollywood is.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

What a sick, sorry and twisted place this dream palace called Hollywood is.

Not at all limited to Hollywood, although "glamorous" professions do tend to tolerate more of this abuse.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Postcards From The Edge?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Postcards From The Edge?

Star Wars, of course.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

And now I keep seeing women "come forward" to announce that they were victims of workplace abuse, but protect the abusers' names. These women want public sympathy, but they won't lift a finger to protect women who are next in line for their abuser's attention.

Exactly!


Anybody read anything from Joss Whedon's ex-wife's letter she put online a short while ago? He's apparently one of them. Yet people will still praise him and go see the "Justice League" movie.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

And now I keep seeing women "come forward" to announce that they were victims of workplace abuse, but protect the abusers' names. These women want public sympathy, but they won't lift a finger to protect women who are next in line for their abuser's attention.

Exactly!
.


Or opportunists...

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I'm not sure I'm understanding some of what is being reported.
If some of these women were paid to keep quiet in the past why do they get to come forward now?
As greasy as it is, did they not make a deal?
Do they have to return the money?

I'm a little confused.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm not sure I'm understanding some of what is being reported.
If some of these women were paid to keep quiet in the past why do they get to come forward now?
As greasy as it is, did they not make a deal?
Do they have to return the money?

I'm a little confused.


If you coerce somebody into silence by paying them off, that's a Federal crime -- it's called extortion.

And even if it falls into some gray area and isn't or isn't technically extortion, so what? Deal or no deal, as a human being you have the moral right to do the ethical thing, even if you put it off for some time.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)


If you coerce somebody into silence by paying them off, that's a Federal crime -- it's called extortion.
And even if it falls into some gray area and isn't or isn't technically extortion, so what? Deal or no deal, as a human being you have the moral right to do the ethical thing, even if you put it off for some time.



Okay, I get that part. But you're talking about general legalities.
I was talking about the specific incidents that are happening right now.
For example, have any of the women said they were paid X amount of dollars and now they are going to throw it back in Weinstein's face (or something to that effect)?

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Well, that's not the same as you wrote. Your first post suggested getting paid off and now you are saying you were talking about women asking to be paid off.

Either way, it still doesn't matter. They still need to do the right thing, even if they didn't do it right away. Money (or gifts, or promotions, or anything else) doesn't change what is right and wrong here.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Well, that's not the same as you wrote. Your first post suggested getting paid off and now you are saying you were talking about women asking to be paid off.


I did not say that. At all.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Nothing wrong with smashing stone tablets every couple thousand years. Except, maybe, in between.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Well, that's not the same as you wrote. Your first post suggested getting paid off and now you are saying you were talking about women asking to be paid off.


I did not say that. At all.


Ah, yes you did:

Quote:
If some of these women were paid to keep quiet in the past why do they get to come forward now?

Again, suggesting they were paid off.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)


Ah, yes you did:
Quote:If some of these women were paid to keep quiet in the past why do they get to come forward now?
Again, suggesting they were paid off.



I did not suggest anything, Justin.
It has been reported that some of these women WERE paid.
Using the word "if" was just the grammatically proper way to phrase it.
And where did I say that some women ASKED to be paid off?

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm sorry you were confused by what you wrote; don't blame me for understanding what you actually wrote.

And once again you're changing it. Now you're saying you were referring to what news stories reported. Can you stick to something or at least better express yourself?


And here's where you said women asked for money:
For example, have any of the women said they were paid X amount of dollars and now they are going to throw it back in Weinstein's face (or something to that effect)?

Referring to specific incidents, you also said above that part of the quote. This was you correction to me, remember.


I'm not trying to bully you, but you seem really, really, really confused here.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Anybody read anything from Joss Whedon's ex-wife's letter she put online a short while ago? He's apparently one of them. Yet people will still praise him and go see the "Justice League" movie.


Thanks. I just found it at thewrap.com and it's pretty interesting.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2017 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Anybody read anything from Joss Whedon's ex-wife's letter she put online a short while ago? He's apparently one of them. Yet people will still praise him and go see the "Justice League" movie.


Thanks. I just found it at thewrap.com and it's pretty interesting.


Shocking! Nasty letter from an Ex. wink Wait, I thought Whedon was a feminist? Just goes to show you all men are scum.

 
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