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 Posted:   Nov 7, 2017 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Can anyone explain why the English version of the song on the new Mackenna's Gold cd is different from the version that was on the LP that I bought in the UK when the film came out.

This isn't a complaint, just a query, when I played the cd yesterday, the difference was striking.

On the original album the English version had the same backing as the Spanish version, on the new cd it has a more orchestral backing and the words are slightly different.

First time I heard it. it completely threw me as it wasn't what I was expecting.

It's a fabulous release, very pleased with the sound quality and presentation, just puzzled about the song.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2017 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   shureman   (Member)

Now that you mentioned it, it DOES sound a little different. I'll have to compare it to the LP as well. Perhaps Sony had a variety of song versions on the tape...

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2017 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

That sounds like a typical re-recording strategy of the day reserved for the official OST LP presentation, except, it can't be. Maybe there was a rights issue?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2017 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

The Intrada version of Ole Turkey Buzzard sounds more like a "pop" version, in the manner of "Soul Full of Gold". Also, the louder volume is out of step with the previous track it is joined to.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2017 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

The version I am more familiar with on my LP is the longer version of Ol' Turkey Buzzard, a less pop-flavored and more dramatic version that ran 2:46.

It appears in the track listing in Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenna%27s_Gold

All of the other track timings match Intrada's. Many of the LPs that listed timings (not all did) stated (1:55) as the timing on the back cover. I still prefer the longer version.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2017 - 12:56 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

I also prefer the longer version, the version they've put on the cd just doesn't sound right. I hoped someone would come forwards and say why this version was chosen, maybe it was the only one on the tapes, or possibly it was a choice the producer made. It's a shame the original version isn't on the cd, it spoils (for me) what would otherwise have been a perfect presentation of one of the best late 60's western scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2017 - 1:10 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Anyone know if the old Tsunami CD has the original/different album version of Ole Turkey Buzzard?

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2017 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Yes it did, but if memory serves, it was copied from an LP so the sound was a disappointment. (sigh)

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2017 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

So the American LP had the version that's on the cd, well I still prefer the version that was on the LP that I bought in 1968, so hear (here) goes;

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ole+turkey+buzzard.+lyrics&view=detail&mid=E48C81D59B4EBE673846E48C81D59B4EBE673846&FORM=VIRE

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2017 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

This longer version of the song is the mid-main title version that has that instrumental bridge at 1:28 for the continued Victor Jory narration (although there is an edit back to the vocal at 1:48.)

A friend in England sent me his album rip a few years back and I was at a loss as to how he got this iteration of the song and now I have my answer, vis-a-vis, the U.K. version of the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2017 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)


A friend in England sent me his album rip a few years back and I was at a loss as to how he got this iteration of the song and now I have my answer, vis-a-vis, the U.K. version of the album.



And that version is much better.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2017 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

I agree with Basil, the UK version is the best, the song on the new cd just doesn't sound right.

Maybe someone in the future will release a UK version of Mackenna's Gold, who knows, miracles do sometimes happen.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2017 - 10:57 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I agree with Basil, the UK version is the best, the song on the new cd just doesn't sound right.


It doesn't help that the song is presented far louder than the other vocal parts on the disc, including the subsequent Spanish version.

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2017 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Doug's reply;

The version on our release IS the exact version that was used on the US release of the score and there is nothing that "doesn't sound right" about it. Our CD comes from the actual masters used by RCA and is the version those of us in this country grew up with. In this instance, there really isn't anything we could have done differently as our license - and my own interest in particular - zeroed in on the US album. I suppose the UK version wouldn't have worked out for me because I know and love the album as it was released here. --Doug

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2017 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   arne.dupont   (Member)

Great CD album - well done - and Ole Turkey Buzzard sounds like my "old" RCA LP. I have a single record with the song and it sounds different. Maybe the same as on the UK LP. But anyway - the song on the Intrada CD sounds great - thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2017 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   P.Tsakiris   (Member)

Jose Feliciano appeared on the "Late Show with David Letterman" in 2007 and performed yet another rendition of the song again with some slight changes in lyrics.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Bought this CD for my Christmas and I am in agreement with Chris and Basil - the rendition of "Ole Turkey Buzzard" on the UK album release is superior in every way - not least because it is reasonably faithful to what was heard in the film itself.

Even after forty-five years of record-buying, I had no idea that the U.S. release of this opus had a different version of the song. A surprise, then, but not a particularly pleasant one!

JMM.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Having now heard the UK version of "Ole Turkey Buzzard" for the first time, I agree that it is the superior version. The U.S. version always sounded rather isolated, without ambiance, and something that wouldn't be on a film soundtrack. (I've never seen the film.) Too bad that the UK version couldn't have been included as a bonus track on the CD. But, really, how many knew of the existence of both versions?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Having now heard the UK version of "Ole Turkey Buzzard" for the first time, I agree that it is the superior version. The U.S. version always sounded rather isolated, without ambiance, and something that wouldn't be on a film soundtrack. (I've never seen the film.) Too bad that the UK version couldn't have been included as a bonus track on the CD. But, really, how many knew of the existence of both versions?

I'd been listening to the Intrada disc a lot recently and noticed the difference. I have the (presumably) UK version of Ole Turkey Buzzard from a Bear Family compilation, From Alamo To El Dorado, in another playlist on my iPod. Now I have an answer.

I've posted both versions together for back-to-back comparison;

UK version



U.S version



Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2018 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I have the UK version of Ole Turkey Buzzard from a Bear Family compilation.

Greg Espinoza




Which compilation is that? There are more than one Bear Family CDs with Old Turkey Buzzard (to name a couple for example, the Feliciano album "No Jive" which is a "Very Best of" compilation, and a western set "From Alamo to El Dorado"). I've no idea which Buzzard versions they contain though. Is your UK recording from one of those, or from something else?

 
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