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And I expect to have complete scores
This is billed as “expanded,” not “complete.” These things don't always go as planned, we all know that — look at what happened with Troy.
If you don't think that Roger and Doug were acting in good faith when putting the album together, I don't really know what would satisfy you.
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Jan 13, 2018 - 2:43 PM
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lukasz22
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You're curious? Then I'll tell you - I'm not gonna spend my money for some SCORE which is not complete, because it's not so cheap. And I expect to have complete scores, but if some music is missing - then let it be really a few seconds or so, not a few minutes - important minutes and moments in the film. Thank you. I hope that helped you.
But Lukasz, if you have as an absolute rule to only adquire “fully complete soundtracks” I imagine you must have a really small collection, as most of the soundtracks I know are not complete.
Labels like LLL and Intrada do not use that word since a long time.
Jaws 2 - missing the Amity Highschool band music (not on the tapes) and some source music that Williams vetoed.
Jaws - missing the marching band source used in the film and some of the source music (from the first beach acene)
Return of the Jedi - the film version of Lapti Neck was never released, and the Max Reebo band music is reportedly lost.
The Omen - missing some of the dog music
And a vast etc.
It must be difficult to find something that you can buy that complies with your rule of “all or nothing”. Which soundtracks do you actually have?
My collection is not so little, but it's not very big either, because I don't intend it to be very big. Most of my scores are LLL Records, some of Intrada, Varese one Quartet. I have Jaws 1 and 2 of Intrada, Rambo 1 and 2 of Intrada, Wyatt Earp Complete, Batman Elfman Collection from LLL, Commando, trilogy of Naked Gun, trilogy of Die Hard (LLL and Varese club of Die Harder), Cliffhanger, X-Men 2, Batman TAS all Volumes, Waterworld, box of Lethal Weapon (LLL), Back to the Future trilogy from Intrada and varese, Predator and Total Recall (Club and Quartet). I have also other scores, also complete. As you can see - most of these have either missing only a few seconds (maybe one or two minutes except for Lethal Weapon box) or are COMPLETE. I don't count source music or songs with vocals - those are only addition to scores, so every example you mentioned above are not important to me, because those are source cues. Robin Hood lacks over 12 minutes of pure great score of Kamen. I understand Intrada did everything they could, but it's really sad it's 12 minutes. 12 minutes are not 1 minute or so. That's the difference. 
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And some people wonder why i refer to the "complete & chronological" crowd as " c & c Crazies," ?
Lolling
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Jan 13, 2018 - 6:24 PM
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danbeck
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I started collecting in the 80’s (first score I acquired when I was 10 yrs. old was the LP of Temple of Doom in 84), during the 80’s and the early 90s I acquired a lot of LPs from my favorite movies and, at that time, a score was never complete. With lucky you could obtain a good selection/representation of the score.
At that time my best hope was that “some” (never all) of my favorite moments of a score were represented in the album. I remember always seeing the track titles in the back cover to try to figure if “that” track was there or not. And a lot of times it was not, but it never stopped me from purchasing the album. In some cases the deception was big (The Spy Who Loved Me, not a bad album but were is the actual score of the movie? Poltergeist II were is the choral chant? while listening I was in disbelief when “The Worm” just ended before the “good part” should start and still hoped the choral theme was going to appear in the final track only to discover completely different music in that track were the chorus started in the film, Jaws 3-D track list seemed ok but the music in the album was similar but not the same used in the film) others I was happy with the content of the album (Young Scherlock Holmes, missing a lot of music but a great representation of the score, Raiders missing a lot, I was specially disappointed with the lack of the Main Titles and the first Map sequence - but I loved what was included).
Then around 15 years ago we entered in the age of frequent expanded c&c presentations, which is heaven for me (I prefer c&c releases whenever possible) but maybe for having lived through an era of “never complete soundtracks” I’m more tolerant and appreciate the work the labels do to release the best that’s possible.
I love the Indy box set (as I loved the Arista Star Wars box set before it). Even if I would prefer the complete score, film takes/overlays and pitch mistakes corrected - I do not regret one second for having purchased it (now some of the awesome music I missed is available). Of course I will buy then again when a more complete/better version is released.
I just hope you don’t block yourself from enjoying some great music because 10 minutes of a 110+ minutes score are missing, you may keep waiting forever for a complete release that will never happen.
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Jan 13, 2018 - 7:11 PM
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lukasz22
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I started collecting in the 80’s (first score I acquired when I was 10 yrs. old was the LP of Temple of Doom in 84), during the 80’s and the early 90s I acquired a lot of LPs from my favorite movies and, at that time, a score was never complete. With lucky you could obtain a good selection/representation of the score.
At that time my best hope was that “some” (never all) of my favorite moments of a score were represented in the album. I remember always seeing the track titles in the back cover to try to figure if “that” track was there or not. And a lot of times it was not, but it never stopped me from purchasing the album. In some cases the deception was big (The Spy Who Loved Me, not a bad album but were is the actual score of the movie? Poltergeist II were is the choral chant? while listening I was in disbelief when “The Worm” just ended before the “good part” should start and still hoped the choral theme was going to appear in the final track only to discover completely different music in that track were the chorus started in the film, Jaws 3-D track list seemed ok but the music in the album was similar but not the same used in the film) others I was happy with the content of the album (Young Scherlock Holmes, missing a lot of music but a great representation of the score, Raiders missing a lot, I was specially disappointed with the lack of the Main Titles and the first Map sequence - but I loved what was included).
Then around 15 years ago we entered in the age of frequent expanded c&c presentations, which is heaven for me (I prefer c&c releases whenever possible) but maybe for having lived through an era of “never complete soundtracks” I’m more tolerant and appreciate the work the labels do to release the best that’s possible.
I love the Indy box set (as I loved the Arista Star Wars box set before it). Even if I would prefer the complete score, film takes/overlays and pitch mistakes corrected - I do not regret one second for having purchased it (now some of the awesome music I missed is available). Of course I will buy then again when a more complete/better version is released.
I just hope you don’t block yourself from enjoying some great music because 10 minutes of a 110+ minutes score are missing, you may keep waiting forever for a complete release that will never happen.
No, of course I'm not blocking myself. I will buy another scores, maybe even this edition of Robin Hood, cause there is very little chance we see the complete score in the future, but not soon, that's for sure. I can wait, I have time, I can listen also on YouTube maybe when it be there of course, and I'm not in a hurry, especially when I listen very slowly (approximately one track per two weeks - I like analize it and get everything out of each track I can before I go to the next one  ) . I had also some albums you mentioned, Bonds too and vinyls, but when we got into those beautiful expanded/complete editions era right now - I want to buy the most complete scores that can be, wherever I can of course. For Indiana Jones box I'll also wait, because there's missing quite a lot of music still and as far as I know, Concord has bad remaster, bad sound. We'll wait and see what labels will release in the future. Right now I'd like to see truly complete Willow That's my dream.
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