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 Posted:   Jan 24, 2018 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

This just popped in my head as I was listening to Licence to Kill. What would a John Williams James Bond score sound like? What are your guys' thoughts?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2018 - 6:49 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Well, we would probably get the James Bond theme played slowly and comically on solo tuba when the bad guys are stumbling into the traps Bond and M have set up around his house.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2018 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I remember hoping (naively) as a lad, that Irvin Kershner would re-team with his Empire Strikes Back composer for Never Say Never Again.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2018 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

He might have actually done For Your Eyes Only if Lucas hadn't talked Spielberg out of directing the film.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2018 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Probably like Black Sunday with some Bond stuff.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I've always said that a Williams-penned Bond SONG would sound kinda like the song from STORIA DI UNA DONNA:

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

By the way, did you know that Elliot Goldenthal kinda scored a Bond film; a student film spoof of several genres (also spaghetti westerns) back in the 70s? Another interesting 'what if' thing. Go to 4:37 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SivJeozSfbw

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

Probably like Black Sunday with some Bond stuff.

Lukas


sounds great to me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

What if John Williams scored a James Bond film?

What if John Barry was really into disco?

What if Mario Nascimbene had an easily pronounceable name?

What if James Horner had skipped on writing the theme to Fish Police?

What if Jerry Goldsmith lived at Area 51?

These are questions we need answered!

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   CCW1970   (Member)

Probably like Black Sunday with some Bond stuff.

Lukas


Yep, that makes sense.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

Steven Spielberg had met with Cubby Broccoli Two Times...

After the blockbuster film Jaws and then Close Encounters...Spielberg spoke to Cubby offering his directing efforts..The two films Spielberg would of directed was ...The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.

So this meant that John Williams would of scored those two films...wow!!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Doctor Shatterhand   (Member)

Steven Spielberg had met with Cubby Broccoli Two Times...

After the blockbuster film Jaws and then Close Encounters...Spielberg spoke to Cubby offering his directing efforts..The two films Spielberg would of directed was ...The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.

So this meant that John Williams would of scored those two films...wow!!!


Cubby Broccoli was concerned that Spielberg, with his successful Jaws movie, would have demanded more of the box office take and Cubby was not ready to offer up more money to ANY director. The excuse for years was that only British directors would be allowed to direct an OO7 adventure, but in reality the producers wanted to keep control of the biggest money making series at the time.

As for John Williams composing a Bond score, that was always a thought of mine over 40 years ago. At the time when John Barry was not composing The Spy Who Loved Me, and Star Wars was the biggest selling soundtrack of the summer, James Bond fans were speculating what was the possibility of hiring Williams to do the next film? Which was slated to be For Your Eyes Only before they changed course and produced Moonraker instead due to the high interest in space operas.

I don't think we will ever get a John Williams score for Bond but I can only speculate that John Williams would have blown out the speakers with his rendition of the James Bond theme while Roger Moore fought the bad guy over a parachute.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Refresh my memory: Has Williams ever used another composer's material? Would he have ditched the Bond theme?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   Score-Man-X   (Member)

Probably like Black Sunday with some Bond stuff.
Lukas

This score is 40 years old. I could imagine that Williams would surprise us.
He could go something in the direction of David Arnolds James Bond scores(of course less all synthetic elements!). I remember how surprised I was from the track THE FOOTBALLGAME from his score to SLEEPERS(1996). It could be a action track of a James Bond score from David Arnold.

Go to CD track #3 - from 1:55 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr4dbbw6O6o

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Refresh my memory: Has Williams ever used another composer's material? Would he have ditched the Bond theme?

Like the use of "When You Wish Upon a Star" in CLOSE ENCOUNTERS?

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Refresh my memory: Has Williams ever used another composer's material? Would he have ditched the Bond theme?

Like the use of "When You Wish Upon a Star" in CLOSE ENCOUNTERS?


Allowed. But I'm thinking where he really followed in another composer's footsteps. Like a Star Trek, or, well, Star Wars.

I suppose Fiddler on the Roof would count.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2018 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

But I'm thinking where he really followed in another composer's footsteps. Like a Star Trek, or, well, Star Wars.

I suppose Fiddler on the Roof would count.



Or his other adaptations like GOODBYE, MR CHIPS and TOM SAWYER.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2018 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Probably like Black Sunday with some Bond stuff.

Lukas


If we could have 1980's Williams back, I'd want him to score a bond film. Current ?Williams? Nah, no thanks.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

John Williams is possibly the greatest film composer of all time, but casting is about styles.

I think that John Barry created such a distinctive style for the Bond films, which was so embedded in people's expectations of what a Bond film looks and sounds like, that a Williams score might feel like a mismatch, brilliant thought it would undoubtedly be.

John Williams has a very different musical style. Where Barry might go for a low-key, uncluttered, melodic action theme with a 3-3-2 rhythm figure, Williams might go for a high key scherzo with chattering trumpets and shrieking flute flourishes.

I don't doubt Williams could write a brilliant score for anything, I just don't know if his particular style would be too much the opposite of what the Bond look and feel has come to be.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I agree with Stephen, and I'll add:

1) I read somewhere that JW turned down the first Mission Impossible film because he did not want to use Schifrin's theme. And it's not just a matter of using the James Bond Theme, it's whether JW would be open to composing within the musical framework established by Barry. Most of the Bond composers, Serra excluded, have attempted to approach their scores trying for that Bond sound. If you don't approach a Bond score that way, you're just writing a spy/action score. Barry brought swagger, cool, seduction, and a sense of inherent darkness to his Bond scores. That last element in particular sets Barry's scores apart from the others because they added a heft to the films that was otherwise missing.

2) Even if Spielberg had directed a Bond film back in the day do not assume that Williams would have scored it. Spielberg was an admirer of Barry and his Bond scores and might have relished the opportunity to work with him on his own turf.

 
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