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 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I've heard this opined from a couple of members, and at first I was as dubious as the many who will shell-shockedly check this thread out.

I must admit however: I've listened at length to the album on youtube (which of course is a very compressed and imperfect way to listen, I know), and it is really a strong effort imo.

I'm curious how other members feel about this CD and its manifold releases.

Once again, I'm super grateful for any help!

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

In my personal opinion, as a whole, I prefer the complete score to TFF over TMP. Even on a sections basis, I typically take only three cues from TMP, whereas I take multiple cues from TFF.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Can anyone tell me what Justin wrote, please?

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

search engine....
just sayin'

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Er, yeah....so Final Frontier is, much like The Shadow, a revelatory expansion, and also, as in that case, the old album sequence is helpfully retained, to remind you how good we got it now.
I hated the old Epic album, missing music and weird sequencing - feel it was a rare bomb in JG's album producing. The complete is a score you can't turn off once it starts however. Funny how these things work.
It's not always the case....Deep Rising was fine at 32mins. but a real slog at 70mins. now.

I'm not sure trying the original albums first is a great idea....I guess it is an interesting experiment. For me, first impression is a big one. Really hard to discern at my age lol.

-Sean

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Er, yeah....so Final Frontier is, much like The Shadow, a revelatory expansion, and also, as in that case, the old album sequence is helpfully retained, to remind you how good we got it now.
I hated the old Epic album, missing music and weird sequencing - feel it was a rare bomb in JG's album producing. The complete is a score you can't turn off once it starts however. Funny how these things work.
It's not always the case....Deep Rising was fine at 32mins. but a real slog at 70mins. now.

I'm not sure trying the original albums first is a great idea....I guess it is an interesting experiment. For me, first impression is a big one. Really hard to discern at my age lol.

-Sean


I completely feel this. Looks like another Intrada essential purchase...I just hope they repress some copies soon. And Patton.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Bitten by high prices & OOP....again!
Dammit all.

Patton is easier....play album or film tracks, win win!
Both are excellent, film tracks gets the edge with a few mins. of extra, terrific music. Just wait till ya live with this stuff for 20-30 years an d get to educate future generations yourself!

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Bitten by high prices & OOP....again!
Dammit all.

Patton is easier....play album or film tracks, win win!
Both are excellent, film tracks gets the edge with a few mins. of extra, terrific music. Just wait till ya live with this stuff for 20-30 years an d get to educate future generations yourself!


PATTON! PATTON! YES! I've been ready for months now...Intrada Patton has haunted my thoughts every day, someone cue a Bernard Herrmann tritone!

Maybe if we all stand up at the same time and salute....

ready? One two THREE!



(uhh, is anyone else standing?)....PATTON!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Haha, no, but my dog wondered what I was up to Saturday morning when I was playing this last week, stomping round the house, doing me best Scott impression. I think the neighbors love waking to echoplexes & rambunctious military marches too, no?
Try driving around with that speech playing in your car....talk about chick magnet ;-p

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

TMP is one of my top ten favorite scores of all time. TFF is not a score I like especially, the “A Busy Man” cue being the notable exception. So just one man’s opinion, but to me, TMP wins by light years.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

I guess I missed the point of this thread in the first place, that's a first!

Why compete, both are excellent, very different works from very different periods for the composer. Ten years used to be a hell of a gap in time.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

"Final Frontier Score Better than "Motion Picture"?"

No.

That was easy. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I guess I missed the point of this thread in the first place, that's a first!

Why compete, both are excellent, very different works from very different periods for the composer. Ten years used to be a hell of a gap in time.


This is exactly what interested me; the way the scoring differed.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

This is exactly what interested me; the way the scoring differed.

They're very different scores for very different films. For what it's worth, I find both films pretty much unwatchable (to everybody about to post phrases like "not that bad" and "closest in tone to the original series," you're more than welcome to your opinions, but mine is not changing). But while TMP is a long, self-serious dissertation with big existential ideas, its pacing and lengthy, often soundless effects sequences gave Goldsmith a wonderful opportunity for grandiose, mysterious, and beautiful music. TFF has a muddled idea at its center, and is tonally all over the place (where TMP could have used a joke or two, TFF has a bunch of very bad jokes), and it lurches from clumsy action scenes to mystical sequences to goofy comedy.

If you love TFF, enjoy! To me, the Enterprise theme (so majestic as it sings in TMP) makes a clunky action theme in TFF. Goldsmith's obsession with sounds (the "turbine" whirring to life sound under the Courage fanfare, the ram's horn in the Klingon theme) feels cheesy to me here, the synths sound thin, and the action sequences feel generic. The God/barrier music later in the film is more to my taste, and that's where the score comes to life for me. It's good… but to me, not nearly the equal of TMP.

I'm sure these are fighting words to some people, but this is my take. I put TFF on a month or so ago, and I was a bit relieved when it was over. TMP never gets old for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   TxIrish   (Member)

Is TFF better than TMP?

No.

Question answered, you can close this thread now.

Joking aside, IMHO, TMP is a masterpiece, and TFF is 'just' great.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Is TFF better than TMP?

No.

Question answered, you can close this thread now.

Joking aside, IMHO, TMP is a masterpiece, and TFF is 'just' great.


I got converted a little over a month ago with the La La Land TMP.

You know, I should mention I haven't picked up Wrath of Khan or Search for Spock yet...

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

You know, I should mention I haven't picked up Wrath of Khan or Search for Spock yet...

There, some people will tell you that SfS is superior to WoK. They are wrong. WoK is great, SfS is just okay. Have I ever led you astray before?

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

You know, I should mention I haven't picked up Wrath of Khan or Search for Spock yet...

There, some people will tell you that SfS is superior to WoK. They are wrong. WoK is great, SfS is just okay. Have I ever led you astray before?


Dear Schiffy.

Never has one expended more words on misguided opinions, then you have on this thread
wink

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I need my pain!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

search engine....
just sayin'


wink

 
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