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 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Has anyone stopped to wonder why in the hell they killed Luke instead of LEIA? I mean... Fisher died a FULL YEAR BEFORE THE RELEASE OF THE FILM... they SHOULD'VE killed off HER character, and since she was sucked out of that ship... THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN IT! But NOOOOOOOOOOOO.... They kill Luke instead, and have painted themselves into a corner. NOW they (Abrams and whoever he got to cowrite the script) have to come up with something feasible to explain Leia no longer being around.
So again I ask... have any of you seen anything online or in print about this?

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I bet Luke is wishing he had a Katra now...

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Rian Johnson finished shooting the movie and was well on the way to editing it. He and Lucasfilm thought that it would be appropriate to honor Carrie Fisher's performance by not altering it.



http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/01/17/star-wars-the-last-jedi-carrie-fisher-death-changes/

"It's impossible not to change watching it, the filter you watch it through and all of her scenes just become a lot more complicated watching them back. Absolutely it did," said Johnson. "And then, obviously, her scene with Luke [Skywalker], suddenly it becomes a goodbye scene in a much more profound way than it was before.

"She passed away around New Year's. We got back after the holiday break and went in the edit room and looked through all of her scenes and had a conversation with [Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy] and the question briefly arose, 'Do we try and do something? Do we try and manufacture an ending for the character or something?' I felt strongly and we decided pretty quickly no, we're gonna let this performance stand."

Johnson thought whatever they attempted to conjure up in post production would not be as effective as what the next film in the saga could do, but he had another important reason.


"And also because her performance, I thought, was beautiful and I thought that if we did that, we'd have to lose some element of it," Johnson said. "Whether it was the scene with Luke or the scene at the end with her and Daisy [Ridley] in the Falcon. I want, especially now, I want to leave the movie with Carrie Fisher having told me the words of hope at the end of this movie. I wanted the world to have this performance of hers."

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Rian Johnson finished shooting the movie and was well on the way to editing it. He and Lucasfilm thought that it would be appropriate to honor Carrie Fisher's performance by not altering it.



http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/01/17/star-wars-the-last-jedi-carrie-fisher-death-changes/

"It's impossible not to change watching it, the filter you watch it through and all of her scenes just become a lot more complicated watching them back. Absolutely it did," said Johnson. "And then, obviously, her scene with Luke [Skywalker], suddenly it becomes a goodbye scene in a much more profound way than it was before.

"She passed away around New Year's. We got back after the holiday break and went in the edit room and looked through all of her scenes and had a conversation with [Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy] and the question briefly arose, 'Do we try and do something? Do we try and manufacture an ending for the character or something?' I felt strongly and we decided pretty quickly no, we're gonna let this performance stand."

Johnson thought whatever they attempted to conjure up in post production would not be as effective as what the next film in the saga could do, but he had another important reason.


"And also because her performance, I thought, was beautiful and I thought that if we did that, we'd have to lose some element of it," Johnson said. "Whether it was the scene with Luke or the scene at the end with her and Daisy [Ridley] in the Falcon. I want, especially now, I want to leave the movie with Carrie Fisher having told me the words of hope at the end of this movie. I wanted the world to have this performance of hers."


Thanks for posting this, I was about to do the same! I totally agree with Rian Johnson's decision and summation of the entire situation. Manufacturing a death for her in the film through post-production tricks might have felt inauthentic. And its important she survives the entire film, one reason so she and Luke can have their final scene together and two, so she can represent hope and inspiration from the previous generation to this new one (Rey, Poe, Finn).

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Noone's beating their breasts over poor Admiral "fish guy" Ackbar's anonymous death so what do you expect? Quit complaining and eat your oatmeal, granpa. This aint your generation's Star Wars.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 8:33 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I dunno. They needlessly killed off Luke and a few other characters. I'm not feeling a lot of hope. Should have let her die in space, they had an out. Now they gotta come up with some weird way of writing her out of the next film.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The Solium Dilemma

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 4:26 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Maybe the next Star Wars outing won't have to find something for its geriatric legacy actors to do.

That has been the traditional burden of Star Trek movies, which has done it worst, and a blessing of Superman-related productions, which do it best. Star Wars falls in the middle: some good scenes, some cringes.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I dunno. They needlessly killed off Luke and a few other characters. I'm not feeling a lot of hope.

Perhaps fitting since this is "The Last Jedi." It's not suppose to be like the retroactively titled "A New Hope."

As for the ST movies, werent the working titles "Pay Check, The Motion Picture" etc. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I dunno. They needlessly killed off Luke and a few other characters. I'm not feeling a lot of hope. Should have let her die in space, they had an out. Now they gotta come up with some weird way of writing her out of the next film.

Hi buddy! You make some good points. But if Luke had to go I think he went in a good way, using a powerful force power not seen before and helping the resistance escape. Luke and Kylo could have had a big lightsaber duel, but lightsaber duels have been done enough. However I still enjoy them. Anyway those are my two cents.smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   michael469   (Member)

An interesting addendum to The Last Jedi debacle is the Jordan Peterson vitality on the internet - particularly on youtube but now in the mainstream media (MSM).

If you have not heard of him, look for his interview with Cathy Newman on the British Channel Four MSM television channel. That is a good place to start.

IMO, if you watch the many videos he has posted on his channel plus the many commentaries - in particular the C16 Bill fracas and his very specific points about the SJW movement - it may provide a description of the milieu in which I think many of the critical The Last Jedi comments can be placed.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

...The Last Jedi debacle

???

Yeah, what a debacle. Those poor Disney executives must be crying themselves to sleep every night. roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 4:30 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I wonder how they'll murder off Lando...

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

...The Last Jedi debacle

???

Yeah, what a debacle. Those poor Disney executives must be crying themselves to sleep every night. roll eyes


They are in China!

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/the-last-jedi-china-box-office-1202655733/

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I dunno. They needlessly killed off Luke and a few other characters. I'm not feeling a lot of hope. Should have let her die in space, they had an out. Now they gotta come up with some weird way of writing her out of the next film.

Hi buddy! You make some good points. But if Luke had to go I think he went in a good way, using a powerful force power not seen before and helping the resistance escape. Luke and Kylo could have had a big lightsaber duel, but lightsaber duels have been done enough. However I still enjoy them. Anyway those are my two cents.smile


One of the things I did "like" about The Last Jedi was it didn't rely on old tropes. I agree cutting Luke's and Lea's goodbye would be a very hard thing to do. I just don't know if they should've passed on the fact they actually killed her character off in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   michael469   (Member)

...The Last Jedi debacle

???

Yeah, what a debacle. Those poor Disney executives must be crying themselves to sleep every night. roll eyes


Apologies. Perhaps I was too vague. I was referring to the apparent polarisation of the audiences reactions to the film. The polarisation of views was what I meant about a debacle as I thought there was a failure to reach a consensus. Hence why I was talking about the commentary in the last part of my post. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Are you telling me . . . the flogged-to-death, flogged-off horse . . . still floats!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2018 - 12:16 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

I wonder how they'll murder off Lando...

In a fight on a waterfall vying for the Kingdom of Wakanda.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2018 - 1:20 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I have to admit to not being overly fond of these new STAR WARS movies at all. They actually make the prequels look pretty good. Yet I continue to watch them, of course. It's just that it is not so important to me what happens in them. The thing I enjoy most about them are the scores by John Williams.

 
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