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 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I came across the 1968 TV movie The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, and the second thing I noticed (after Richard Basehart’s narration) was some background music that sounded much like “The Plot” theme from Mission Impossible. It turns out that Lalo wrote the underscore and apparently re-used it in later scores.

I’m a moderate-to-keen Schifrin fan but hadn’t come across this before. Is it common knowledge in our circles?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 2:00 AM   
 By:   Stovepipe46   (Member)

MGM issued an LP of this in the early 70's I think. Lalo had created a secular cantata of his music and it was released with Laurence Harvey as narrator and the MGM Orchestra conducted by Lawrence Foster with a libretto by Alfred Perry.
I haven't played it in years but I think I should find it again and give it a spin. I don't believe there has been any CD released maybe the time is right for it to be reissued.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   Stovepipe46   (Member)

MGM released an LP of this in the late 60's. Lalo turned his music into a secular cantata with Laurence Harvey as narrator and the MGM orchestra conducted by Lawrence Foster. Alfred Perry wrote the libretto.
I have the LP but I haven't played it in years. Time to dig it out and give it a spin. I don't think a CD has ever been released, maybe the time is right to reconsider a reissue

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   Stovepipe46   (Member)

Double post, sorry

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Double post, sorry

Thanks for the information - I saw the LP on Amazon and there were only two reviews, one of which was grumbling that it wasn’t the original soundtrack, which it clearly isn’t.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I’m a moderate-to-keen Schifrin fan but hadn’t come across this before. Is it common knowledge in our circles?

I'd say that suspense cue was identical to MI.
His scoring the film has been mentioned in earlier Schifrin threads, here's a couple. Search FSM on google.
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=66939&forumID=1&archive=0
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=42910&forumID=1&archive=0
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=17599&forumID=1&archive=1
The movie was finally released on dvd with original Basehart narration from Warner Archive.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

What a coincidence! I almost started a post on this because I've been thinking a lot lately about Lalo Schifrin and what could still be released. I thought a release of Rise and Fall, including both the cantata and the background score would be a great addition.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

What a coincidence! I almost started a post on this because I've been thinking a lot lately about Lalo Schifrin and what could still be released. I thought a release of Rise and Fall, including both the cantata and the background score would be a great addition.


Indeed. Of LC’s links, only the last one really refers to the music being recycled. I have the feeling that music accompanying a documentary about the Nazis is more likely to be reused in a popular weekly tv series than the other way around, but the dates imply otherwise. Any insights into that?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

What does the rise of Lalo Schifrin's career have to do with the fall of the Third Reich?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

What does the rise of Lalo Schifrin's career have to do with the fall of the Third Reich?

dats funny.
Especially exposing a sharp pedant like TG!!! HA HA big grin

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

What does the rise of Lalo Schifrin's career have to do with the fall of the Third Reich?

The Argentina Connection

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Indeed. Of LC’s links, only the last one really refers to the music being recycled. I have the feeling that music accompanying a documentary about the Nazis is more likely to be reused in a popular weekly tv series than the other way around, but the dates imply otherwise. Any insights into that?

I don't own La-La Land's CD set on M:I but their album notes might cover this territory (regarding the studio recording dates for M:I's music).

Without such filming and scoring dates at my disposal, I'm unable to offer any reliable Lalo Schifrin chronology. But Zardoz can speak some guesswork.

First thing to consider: television broadcast data (in this case March 6th of 1968 for The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich) does not disclose the dates during which its program's production transpired. TR&Fot3R could have been produced in 1966 and shelved in the can (... or is that canned on the shelf?) for 18 months or 2 years before its eventual transmission.
[2nd thing to consider - an example: Leonard Rosenman wrote music in 1964 for a TV pilot (made in '63) on Alexander The Great, which did not sell any potential series to networks but which did get finally transmitted in 1967 & 1968.]

Thirdly (& Reichly), Lalo Schifrin had also provided music for other productions helmed by Jack Kaufman (who also directed TR&Fot3R).

Here’s my off-the-cuff attempt on a mini-1966 Schifrin chronology:

  • March 24, 1966 debuts “The World of Jacques-Yves Cousteau” segment from National Geographic Specials
  • September 5, 1966 is the date credited on a segment of The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau entitled “Conshelf Adventure”.
  • September 17, 1966: the “Pilot” debuts for Mission: Impossible
  • November 8, 1966 is “The Hidden World of Insects”, another Schifrin-scored episode of National Geographic Specials

    My mind can imagine producer Jack Kaufman chatting with Lalo Schifrin, whilst both were working on National Geographic assignments, about Kaufman’s pre-production (or maybe even concurrent production) on The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Schifrin might have used his M:I gig as an incubator of sorts for musical ideas with which Schifrin could recycle for the future documentary … or… Schifrin may have written his music for that documentary around the same time as his “Pilot” music for M:I and the two projects cross-fertilized each other musically.
    (one wonders why Schifrin’s music for M:I is so martial in character when the M:I task-force itself is not a military outfit or part of any armed forces. Maybe Schifrin had Nazi Germany on his mind when he wrote his motif for M:I ... or maybe Schifrin simply recycled things for both from his Jericho)

    Schifrin’s music for Jericho is also very much in this mold, too! Just listen to the “Upbeat and Underground” cue on FSM’s album. smile

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     Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 9:46 AM   
     By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

    What does the rise of Lalo Schifrin's career have to do with the fall of the Third Reich?

    The Argentina Connection


    Stop stealing my jokes

     
     Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 12:46 PM   
     By:   Last Child   (Member)

    What does the rise of Lalo Schifrin's career have to do with the fall of the Third Reich?

    The Argentina Connection


    Stop stealing my jokes


    THE MARSHALL INDIGNATION

     
     
     Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 2:50 PM   
     By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

    Zardoz speaks wisely. Gratitude, o speculating one.

     
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