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 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

So far I've read beautiful score, generally a very pretty score, nice and hummable, most entertaining score, and melodic and moving.

Those very same qualities always draw a sneer among some of us and quite frankly I don't get it. It is those very same qualities that have led to many celebrated scores and composers in these here parts. Do not those qualities speak of talent? Does it not take real talent to not only do it but do it many times over?

Isn't level of engagement more important than degree of sophistication, whatever that means? Does not minimalist often translate into minimal talent?

Now I haven't seen TSOW and have not heard a note, but I did see Button and the eyes and ears didn't lie. The music was all those things in italics above. A delight! M. Desplat won my respect and gratitude. Sometimes I get the feeling there are ones here who walk into the theatre prepared in advance to not like the score. Fine. Cheat yourselves out of happiness like a character in a Woody Allen movie. Just gives fools like me a greater reason to celebrate and be thankful.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 8:22 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Nice post, Howard. Over the years, FSM members have posted which scores led them to become interested in film scores. The ones I saw were almost all thematic like Conan, Star Wars, Ben Hur, Superman, etc.

I know there are movies that work well with soundscapes and ambient textures, but most of the time, it is some amazing theme that first captures our ears and then pulls us into film scores.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Nice post, Howard. Over the years, FSM members have posted which scores led them to become interested in film scores. The ones I saw were almost all thematic like Conan, Star Wars, Ben Hur, Superman, etc.

I know there are movies that work well with soundscapes and ambient textures, but most of the time, it is some amazing theme that first captures our ears and then pulls us into film scores.


Right you are Joan.
Just look at the reception to the recent TITANIC reissue!
The vast majority here are fans of scores with strong themes.
Its probably the the only common denominator amongst this wretched hive of scum and villainy.
smile
Brm

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"It's perfectly possible to have him as a favourite composer, but also be critical of certain aspects (whether it is criticism of his electronic noodlings or MY PREFERENCE that the film version of ALIEN is better than Goldsmith's original vision etc.)"

There ya go Thor. Fixed it for yer.


Exactly. That's why I considered many Williams/Goldsmith fans "fanatics". Music is subjective to a point, but you should still be able to be objective about a composers body of work as a whole.


The Solium Declaration

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I'm just glad Zimmer didn't win for Dunkirk. I (and my wife!) found the music a huge distraction and detriment while trying to enjoy the well-made movie. Didn't work for me, at all.
Yavar


Same for me (and for my wife also; she scarcely ever notices film music, and cares not a thing about it, but was so irritated by the intrusive, repetitious DUNKIRK score during the film that she (we) had a hard time watching it through to the end). In a way it was the perfect score for the film, however -- thoroughly irritating and virtually incomprehensible, the unlistenable as accompaniment to the unwatchable.

I can see how some would find Desplat and this score to be boring, but I thought it worked well and was not offended by Desplat winning the Oscar for this one. I was however just a little creeped about all the the sex with the Creature From the Black Lagoon (that re-make, with a twist, rumored to be del Toro's next project). Watch out, Guillermo, Frances McDormand is comin' for ya...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 12:35 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

While the score is all of those nice things mentioned, my biggest gripe was how inappropriate it was within the film.
It would have been more at home in AMELIE.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

While the score is all of those nice things mentioned, my biggest gripe was how inappropriate it was within the film.
It would have been more at home in AMELIE.


Y' can't have everything!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   MCurry29   (Member)

Face it. Desplat won- we all knew he would win and there was no chance for the other scores. Period. I'm no fanatic for Desplat- I enjoy many of his scores and others just pass on by. If I had my choice for a US film score it would have been LOGAN. Hey, but that's me. It did not get nominated and I surely did not expect it to get nominated. Best score of the year ALL 2017 films- Passage to Dawn- Diego Navarro. It had no chance of being nominated. We know how the Academy does.

Desplat composed a beautiful score for a tremendous film.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)

While the score is all of those nice things mentioned, my biggest gripe was how inappropriate it was within the film.
It would have been more at home in AMELIE.


Y' can't have everything!


It's not just the music. Visually, musically, and even in some characters and plot elements, "The Shape of Water" was very much inspired by Carot/Jeunet movies (specifically Amelie and The City of Lost Children) - apart from the "Black lagoon" elements, of course.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 5:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It's not just the music. Visually, musically, and even in some characters and plot elements, "The Shape of Water" was very much inspired by Carot/Jeunet movies (specifically Amelie and The City of Lost Children) - apart from the "Black lagoon" elements, of course.

Indeed. There's a lot of Carot/Jeunet (don't forget DELICATESSEN) in the film, and 'cinema du look' in general. Loved that bit of it.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Nominated for 13..only won Four...Remember when films were nominated big...and won big...not nowadays...

    That was a thing to mourn?

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     Posted:   Mar 10, 2018 - 8:01 PM   
     By:   Kylo Ren   (Member)

    I think this was well deserved. An excellent score by Desplat (it even reminded me of Williams at times) and I also thought the film was beautifully crafted.

     
     
     Posted:   Mar 11, 2018 - 12:45 PM   
     By:   SoldierofFortune   (Member)

    I really like The Shape of Water, both score and movie... but not so much for deserve the Oscar.

    As for use of music in movies, Dunkirk was terrific.

    IMHO.

     
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