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Mar 16, 2018 - 9:47 AM
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jackfu
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Just curious as to your experiences, not asking if you are one. I certainly am not trying to diagnose, even though I am a Nobel Prize-winning Psychiatrist, MD, and Rocket Surgeon – ok, I lied.
I’ve known many liars over the years, some of them almost literally the "Tommy Flanagan" types.
I don’t use the “pathological” label as most all liars I’ve known told lies that were often premeditated and even well thought-out.
I found it fascinating how so often their lies were so obvious and even easily disproven. When I was younger, I would almost always confront them and disprove their lies. Their responses varied, from just ignoring my reproaches to sometimes being outraged occasionally to becoming physical altercations, to which I was always ready to respond in kind - when I was young.
My first experience with liars was when I was 8, 9 years old. Another kid the same age, would visit the Sunday School class I attended then. He lived about an hour away so he visited infrequently, but he always wanted to be the center of attention in our class and he would lie about the dumbest stuff. He also would start the class with a “report”. He would update us with his latest exploits; delivered, literally, in the “Joe Friday”, “Dragnet” (which was quite popular then) style. I mean, “Saturday morning. I was busy…when I got a call from…”. So, I think he maybe had something going on there mentally as well; I wonder how he turned out as an adult.
As critical as this sounds, most all of the liars I’ve known were likeable enough, a couple of them were fairly close friends; you just had to know them and learn to discern and ignore their lies.
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Iam a disgraceful liar. My whole world is a tissue of whoppers.
And i suspect, oddly enough, i am not alone around here. 
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What's this thread for? Is it another in-the-know 'underground' grouse-hunting thread aimed at some poor chap/lady who's 'in season' at the moment?
It's a naive question. The worst liars by far are those who believe they never lie. And there are unconscious as well as conscious lies. Every one of you is guilty of those.
The whole thrust of modern society is against humility, and, for example, mainstream training in job interviews is really training in how to bluff the interviewer, but passed off as 'presenting your best light'. People are trained early to lie. In some extreme religious environments, lying becomes a necessary survival strategy.
Truth is paradoxical. The world polarises too quickly. Opposite opinions and claims are often two sides of a paradox. They sit on the outside skin of the onion. But draw a line to the onion's centre and they are the same point. So there can be accommodation. Fundamentalists never grow up. The Buddhists and Hindus and genuine (!) Christians have said that for millennia. To deaf ears. As have the humanists and transcendentalist philosophers.
I know I myself have had my veracity questioned right here by a couple of people, who hinted (they always hint: it goes with the drag outfit ...) I am not who I claim. It makes me giggle, because Hermes is a god too, and there is fun in playing with that. But it doesn't come from a good place nevertheless. Not everyone has a satire bone.
I personally dismiss anyone who claims they are 100% truthful. They're not to be trusted, they start the wars, they get folk killed. Besides, nothing in space/time is entirely as we think it is.
But y'know, what's wrong with the idea of people like Yor (remember him?) adopting a fun persona? The internet is simply not real. It's not relationship land. Were people shocked he wasn't a real caveman?
The internet bubbles and self delusional spirals of spin and reinforcement are just quicksand.
D'ye remember what Cervantes said in 'Man of La Mancha'?
"Who knows where madness lies? ... Perhaps too much sanity is madness ... but maddest of all is to see things as they ARE and not as they SHOULD be."
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Yeah, I find liars very transparent, though they think they're clever.
A statement that could never stand up in court, in philosophy, or in science.
By definition, the successful liar will never be detected, so you'll never know. What you're doing there is making a claim for your OWN cleverness, exactly what you accuse them of.
You're lied to all the time. If your internet provider got into a revenues war with a website and started throttling your speed, you'd neither know about it, nor be able to do anything about it. As an example.
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Posted: |
Mar 16, 2018 - 12:04 PM
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jackfu
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What's this thread for? Is it another in-the-know 'underground' grouse-hunting thread aimed at some poor chap/lady who's 'in season' at the moment?
If my question was/is naïve, so be it. My purpose was to glean others' experience with liars, hoping for some interesting, even humorous anecdotes, if you will. I thought I expressed that intention plainly, and that I wasn't after analysis of liars, even though I guess I may be guilty of some of that.
I was looking more for replies like Solium provided as to how he dealt with those folks and experiences - specifically "Tommy Flanagan" types you've encountered.
No hidden agenda, no smug, self-righteousness intended, sorry if I came off that way.
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