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 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Consider yourselves warned...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/16099568.Scots__Nazi_dog__film_maker_found_guilty_of__being_grossly_offensive_online/

Spielberg may want to rethink filming Indy 5 there, as they might remember his directing the "saluting monkey" scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark and lock his ass up, too.

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Not hate crime, thought crime. Why aren't the whole Monty Python lot in jail then? The Brits invented offensive and obscene humor.

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

DP.

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

It was a dumb joke in the first place.

The UK is far edgier with broadcast humour.

Back in the '90s I recall the perfectly innocent 'Banzai' UK show was sold to Canada, the home of political correctness triple plus. They loved it. Then it was bought up by US cable networks who patronisingly changed the original narration VOs by Bert Kwouk and others to pretend it was made in America. They assumed US audiences couldn't relate to participants' place names in the UK! Before you know it, large groups of PC American lobbyists protested about the 'negative stereotyping of oriental people in the US'.





 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Not hate crime, thought crime. Why aren't the whole Monty Python lot in jail then? The Brits invented offensive and obscene humor.

Indeed they did; and, Anglophile that I am, I adore the bastards for it!

Who could ever forget "Heil Honey, I'm Home"?

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The UK is far edgier with broadcast humour.

Which new shows would you say are the UK's edgiest?

Funny how they crack down on a dumb joke YouTube video, but do nothing for decades when thousands of girls are sexually assaulted in Rotherham and Telford.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

There's no such thing as total free speech anywhere, America very much included. There's not a fine line, but a thick grey one between a joke & incitement to hate or violence, & it's at what point do you say, enough is enough. Why be nasty about anyone? Be kind.

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

There's no such thing as total free speech anywhere, America very much included. There's not a fine line, but a thick grey one between a joke & incitement to hate or violence, & it's at what point do you say, enough is enough. Why be nasty about anyone? Be kind.

Free speech, even speech you don't like protects EVERYONE. Without it your freedom of thought and speech are at the mercy of those in power. Don't think saying something as flowery as "Friendship is magic" is any less susceptible to the wrath of others.

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

There's no such thing as total free speech anywhere, America very much included. There's not a fine line, but a thick grey one between a joke & incitement to hate or violence, & it's at what point do you say, enough is enough. Why be nasty about anyone? Be kind.

This case is happening in the UK, not the US.

As of this writing, free speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

Does the UK have an equivalent? It sure doesn't seem like it...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

There's no such thing as total free speech anywhere, America very much included. There's not a fine line, but a thick grey one between a joke & incitement to hate or violence, & it's at what point do you say, enough is enough. Why be nasty about anyone? Be kind.

Free speech, even speech you don't like protects EVERYONE. Without it your freedom of thought and speech are at the mercy of those in power. Don't think saying something as flowery as "Friendship is magic" is any less susceptible to the wrath of others.


It's nothing to do with free speech you don't like. Living in a free society means you get offended from time to time & you just have to suck it up (& it seems like a lot of people are just looking to be offended), but there's always limits, in every country.

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

...Canada, the home of political correctness triple plus.


Only out in public.
Behind the privacy of our closed doors the reality is quite different.
Don't kid yourself.

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

...Canada, the home of political correctness triple plus.


Only out in public.
Behind the privacy of our closed doors the reality is quite different.
Don't kid yourself.


I like to lovingly refer to Canadians as our rednecks of the north.

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2018 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The (red) Mounties. Sounds quaint.

 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2018 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Political correctness is an insidious filter on speech and even thought. You have to question everything you say in the fear that it might be offensive to someone, somewhere.

You could go mad worrying about this stuff - if you gave a shit.

Maybe it causes the now-unexpressable ideas to enter the subconscious, leading to cryptoracism or cryptosexism etc. I don't know.

I'm certain that the more accommodating a society becomes, the more the people push for more. We're experiencing this to ridiculous levels when we allow people to "identify as" things they are not. For example, the tranny-rights brigade wanting access to female toilets causing a hilarious face-off with feminazis who'd vomit at the sight of a penis.

 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2018 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

And now folks, I insist y'all give a big welcome to . . . Fuzzzzeeeee Bear!

 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2018 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

So called "political correctness" is something that small L liberal middle-class/upper middle-class people have been practicing for, oh, about a hundred years. The basis of it is simply not to be bloody horrible to others and have some form of empathy for their situations. If that is to be spread among the wider populations via legislation then so be it.

Frankly, once you get into the habit of not being mean-spirited about "others", it's quite easy and pleasant. big grin Meanwhile, don't panic. smile

P.S. Notice that crime statistics have been showing a downward trend in the last 20-30 years. There are several reasons for that, including the spread of tolerance and empathy. Not coincidental. Long way to go yet, mind.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2018 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

So called "political correctness" is something that small L liberal middle-class/upper middle-class people have been practicing for, oh, about a hundred years. The basis of it is simply not to be bloody horrible to others and have some form of empathy for their situations. If that is to be spread among the wider populations via legislation then so be it.

Frankly, once you get into the habit of not being mean-spirited about "others", it's quite easy and pleasant. big grin Meanwhile, don't panic. smile

P.S. Notice that crime statistics have been showing a downward trend in the last 20-30 years. There are several reasons for that, including the spread of tolerance and empathy. Not coincidental. Long way to go yet, mind.


What's that horrible sound? Oh it's the sound of people sliding into the vat of totalitarianism. It could have been a text by the Chinese government if they knew how to hide their insidiousness under a marketing veil of "simply good manners". It's either that or someone who's already stepped over already to that other side of "enlightenment", a "brother or sister of the true faith".
I agree that yes there is a basic line of good behaviour and respect to other people and yes many things are being sold as "edgy" that are just bad manners waiting for a corrective punching. Even so the alternative of it being curbed or controlled, might well be worse as that curbing and controlling is handed out to institutions and "people" that should not in a million years be let a million kilometers near the decision button.
Those excessive situations in Anglo Saxon universities become more common as time goes by and infect the rest of the world with their hideous power games. It is to be fought and exterminated without ever letting off as it is pure evil. Once the current proponents of it have the shells fall from their eyes it will be too late and their opened eyes will be met by a horror all too familiar. Be it inquisition, witch hunts, or any of the "isms", there will always be crowds of zealots ready to burn "evil doers" and set the world on fire, and a whole lot of suffering will have to be endured before the world will be right again.

D.S.

 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2018 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

I see. I'll get my hat and coat......

 
 Posted:   Mar 21, 2018 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

That's a joke, 'right,' Heath? From my perspective, common sense must prevail, it being common and all that. With complex and unclear agendas making themselves felt all over the place as though they are common understanding to all, the big question is how far does my interpretation of the common good by apparent agenda overlap with yours?

 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2018 - 3:37 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

So called "political correctness" is something that small L liberal middle-class/upper middle-class people have been practicing for, oh, about a hundred years. The basis of it is simply not to be bloody horrible to others and have some form of empathy for their situations. If that is to be spread among the wider populations via legislation then so be it.

Frankly, once you get into the habit of not being mean-spirited about "others", it's quite easy and pleasant. big grin Meanwhile, don't panic. smile

P.S. Notice that crime statistics have been showing a downward trend in the last 20-30 years. There are several reasons for that, including the spread of tolerance and empathy. Not coincidental. Long way to go yet, mind.


What collectivist drivel. It's all there: use of government to force an individual what to say, think, and feel, and valuing group identity over individual liberty.

 
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