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 Posted:   May 8, 2018 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

OF THE APES,
strike you as pretty cheesy with the them just running the footage back and forth as Milo is saying "Mama, Mama, Mama!"?

I remember it always bothered me. Reminded me of running my Super 8 movie projector in reverse to see dead guys rise up and run backwards.

ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE CHEESE.

Just that ending kind of ruined an almost perfect and entertaining movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEUWkI98kQw

 
 Posted:   May 8, 2018 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I know exactly what you mean.
That rocker shot ruins the ending for me because it was so badly done.
And it's double-lousy because that film had the guts to go with such a brutal climax just minutes prior.

All they had to do was show the baby chimp say "Mama" only once, let the shot go immediately to black, and then have "Mama" repeated over and over a few more times, receding and echoing into silence.
Simplicity in itself.

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2018 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

OF THE APES,
strike you as pretty cheesy with the them just running the footage back and forth as Milo is saying "Mama, Mama, Mama!"?

I remember it always bothered me. Reminded me of running my Super 8 movie projector in reverse to see dead guys rise up and run backwards.

ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE CHEESE.

Just that ending kind of ruined an almost perfect and entertaining movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEUWkI98kQw


I'd say it was "cheesy", but it creeped the SHIT out of me nevertheless!

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The "Mama" from POTA's always freaked me out.
"Would a ape make a human doll? that talks!"

Escape was a brutal movie, it traumatized me as a kid.

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

no more cheesy than other cheesy aspects in the movie, like the gorilla which is clearly a costume or Zira going on shopping spree accompanied by Goldsmith's hip comedic score.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

The "Mama" from POTA's always freaked me out.
"Would a ape make a human doll? that talks!"



That remains one of my favorite moments of any movie ever.
It still gives me goosebumps.
It might even be a better reveal for me than the Statue Of Liberty later on. Hard to choose.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

The I remember it, I watched movies and TV a little differently back then. It was just understood that some things were difficult or impossible to get on film, so I was understanding when the seams would show.

In the future (twenty years? five years?), some of today's biggest "comic universe" crap-taculars will look cheesy because you can totally tell that the huge battle scenes are CGI. But right now, the faithful just understand that that's the best Hollywood can do.


All they had to do was show the baby chimp say "Mama" only once, let the shot go immediately to black, and then have "Mama" repeated over and over a few more times, receding and echoing into silence.
Simplicity in itself.


That would have been a LOT better. So I'd have to admit that in this case, the O.P. has a point.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

That would have been a LOT better.


Thanks, mate.
Not that I'm trying to rewrite history, mind you. wink

Does anyone here have any skills with manipulating video, because I'd love to see someone attempt my suggestion on the YouTube clip above.
(I'm a wizard with audio, but hopeless with video.)
Just cut to black after the first "Mama", and let the audio continue on alone over a black screen to its conclusion.
I'd be willing to bet it would be really effective.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

That would have been a LOT better.


Thanks, mate.
Not that I'm trying to rewrite history, mind you. wink

Does anyone here have any skills with manipulating video, because I'd love to see someone attempt my suggestion on the YouTube clip above.
(I'm a wizard with audio, but hopeless with video.)
Just cut to black after the first "Mama", and let the audio continue on alone over a black screen to its conclusion.
I'd be willing to bet it would be really effective.


Your solution, which would be perfect seems easy enough to re-edit and correct. It makes me wonder if the film editor was high when he did that scene or was it really an editorial decision to do that?

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

It makes me wonder if the film editor was high when he did that scene or was it really an editorial decision to do that?


Certainly we all understand the effect they were going for, but I suppose they just had to make do with what they had.
The camera slightly panning down didn't help, though, because it just made the jogging back and forth more obvious.
If they had just locked the camera's position it would have been greatly improved.
But this is really just me being an armchair quarterback at this point.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

It makes me wonder if the film editor was high when he did that scene or was it really an editorial decision to do that?


I barely remember seeing it, but there's an Albert Brooks movie (Modern Romance, 1981) where he plays a film editor working on a sci-fi epic. And the director is with him in the editing suite, ordering Brooks to make terrible mistakes out of pure vanity, or what you might call "auteur blindness." Because if the director envisioned it just so, then just so must be brilliant.

Also, there's a youtube video out there somewhere that shows how bad Star Wars ('77) would have been if the film editor had not been so incredibly talented.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It makes me wonder if the film editor was high when he did that scene or was it really an editorial decision to do that?


Certainly we all understand the effect they were going for, but I suppose they just had to make do with what they had.
The camera slightly panning down didn't help, though, because it just made the jogging back and forth more obvious.
If they had just locked the camera's position it would have been greatly improved.
But this is really just me being an armchair quarterback at this point.


Your read of it makes sense.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Man, I've just got to say again how powerful the previous scene on the boat was.
Uncompromising and grim.
And it had to be, for the "Mama" scene to even work at all--it would have come off as unbearably hacky were it not for the emotional impact of what just preceded it.
And doesn't Montalban just sell it beautifully at the end?

The first time I got The Missus to finally watch "Escape" with me (just a few years ago), she just sat there jaw-dropped during the boat climax. She never expected it to take such serious turn. She went from being someone who rolled her eyes at the Apes series, to someone that finally "got it".

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

*******SPOILERS*********



Yes, when Cornelius' body literally "hits the deck" it is truly jarring. I mean it had to be a dummy, but the way it hit seemed very true to life of what a body would be like slamming into the ground from such a height. It was quite disturbing seeing it for the first time. I don't even think network television edited the moment of impact out. Seems Goldsmith's music even has a jagged hit at the moment of impact.

Here's a youtube recreation illustrating the music hit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udDRgHJ6Wk

I must sadly admit that when I got the Super 8 movie version as a teenager, I morbidly had great fun running my projector back and forth to see Cornelius go "up and down" and up and down and up and down again!

Also Zira being shot and tripping, spilling the poor baby onto the deck and then Hasslein brutally shooting it so many times.

Was it originally rated G?

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Was it originally rated G?


I recall it was M For Mature.
But I'm not certain.

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Was it originally rated G?


I recall it was M For Mature.
But I'm not certain.


This poster shows "G"

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Canada may have different ratings rules.
But I was not 100 per cent on my memory of it being M anyway.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Aside from Conquest, they were all rated G, which is both fricking NUTS and shows how the wold has changed.

SPOILERS for 40-50 year old films ahead...

Planet of the Apes was an intense ride of cruelty to humans with very adult themes of violence and inhumanity.

This paled compared to BENEATH which ended with Brent being shot in the head (a nice close up of the wound and his eyes wide with shock) followed an instant later by his body being riddled with machine gun bullets, leaving a bloody streak on the wall as he slid lifelessly to the floor. Taylor, shot in the chest, lays his blood soaked hand on the doomsday switch as he kills EVERYONE. This film scarred me as a young un.

ESCAPE just made it worse, with the VERY likable apes being slaughtered. Cornelius' death was the most horrible to witness because he had become such a fun, lovable goof. His sputtering death cry and then his graphic fall moved me to tears and depression. And, no, they did not cut the scene on TV.

CONQUEST was INSANELY violent, and even at PG (or GP) is was blood soaked and uncompromising. The director's cut is even worse. It would be a hard R today, at the very least.

BATTLE felt like a TV movie, dumbed down for kids, but still very violent and with a child ape's death, it probably should have been higher than a G, but it still was a Children's Television Workshop school-day presentation compared to the prior films.

All of this just adds to my love of the series. Warts and all, it's fun and thought provoking sci-fi.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

CONQUEST was INSANELY violent, and even at PG (or GP) is was blood soaked and uncompromising.

Edit: never mind, I looked it up. GP was the same as PG after all.

Good post, btw!

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

CONQUEST was INSANELY violent, and even at PG (or GP) is was blood soaked and uncompromising.

Edit: never mind, I looked it up. GP was the same as PG after all.
Good post, btw!



"Conquest" was the one that I can say for certain was an M here in Canada (my memory is clearer on that one)--which I guess was our equivalent to an American PG.

And that part in the unrated version where the gorilla gets shot right in the face! Whew!

 
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