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 Posted:   May 12, 2018 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

Who needs to download when you can pay a monthly subscription for streaming? If the streaming companies lose the licenses to music as part of the subscriptions packages, people will flip out, and perhaps start purchasing actual downloads again.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2018 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

People have always sacrificed quality/efficiency for an inferior product that is cheaper, simpler, or more available, which explains why VHS became the standard over beta, why people still use the "QWERTY" keyboard

QWERTY keyboard over what? I mean, many people ten finger touch type on a QWERTY keyboard, what is more efficient? Not that there might not be theoretically an even more efficiant keyboard, but it would have to be learned acknew. So the comparison to MP3 vs CD etc. seems to be odd?

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2018 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Fake news: Apple isn't killing iTunes music downloads
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/30/fake-news-apple-isnt-killing-itunes-music-downloads



Thanks, jwb79. That was a help.

The OP article said downloads provide only the "illusion of ownership," because a device can fail. It's stunning to me that (apparently) a lot of people go about their lives with no file backups. Are they stupid?

The trouble with streaming is, your beloved song or movie can be deleted from a corporate catalog at the drop of a hat. It's just gone one day and that's it. Low sales, licensing issues, whatever, and it's gone. Streaming advocates either haven't thought of that, or they love nothing and just want momentary distractions for entertainment. Do they think beyond the moment? Do they have no cherished memories?

Another danger of streaming is that, especially in films and TV, content might be censored in the future. What was once acceptable is now considered politically incorrect or offensive to some group. So the corporation could quietly make cuts and changes to vintage films to re-write history. They can't do that to the copy you own.

So if I love it, I want to own a copy.

I like CDs, but I also like the instant gratification of buying a download. The best of both worlds is when you buy a CD on Amazon and it comes with a full download at no extra charge. You can't beat that.

I think the best thing about a big download store like iTunes is the breadth and depth of the inventory. It's not literally the whole history of recorded music, but they have more available than you could ever have found in a brick and mortar store. It's just a good feeling to see all this music preserved, even the things you'd never buy, but to know that people can buy it, that it's available.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2018 - 7:24 PM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

People have always sacrificed quality/efficiency for an inferior product that is cheaper, simpler, or more available, which explains why VHS became the standard over beta, why people still use the "QWERTY" keyboard

QWERTY keyboard over what? I mean, many people ten finger touch type on a QWERTY keyboard, what is more efficient? Not that there might not be theoretically an even more efficiant keyboard, but it would have to be learned acknew. So the comparison to MP3 vs CD etc. seems to be odd?


My only point is that the qwerty keyboard, which most acknowledge is not the most efficient layout for a keyboard, is used because that is what everyone is used to using. People don't want to switch to a more efficient layout because they don't want to have to re-learn to type using the new keyboard. I wasn't making an exact comparison to MP3 vs. cds, just citing an example of something arguably inferior becoming the standard because it was more readily available.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2018 - 7:27 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

The OP article said downloads provide only the "illusion of ownership," because a device can fail. It's stunning to me that (apparently) a lot of people go about their lives with no file backups. Are they stupid?

Indeed. Music files, properly backed up, are actually safer than CDs. CDs can fail (rarely), burn up in a fire, etc. But if you have backups off-site or in the cloud (and anybody with photos on a hard drive – which now is pretty much everybody – should be doing that anyway) is unlikely to lose music.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2018 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Are they stupid?

Do they think beyond the moment?

Do they have no cherished memories?


Zap, I think you know the answers to these questions. wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   KeoNato   (Member)

The trouble with streaming is, your beloved song or movie can be deleted from a corporate catalog at the drop of a hat. It's just gone one day and that's it. Low sales, licensing issues, whatever, and it's gone. Streaming advocates either haven't thought of that, or they love nothing and just want momentary distractions for entertainment. Do they think beyond the moment? Do they have no cherished memories?


Again chiming in with the millennial perspective here — if it got removed from the catalog then we would find another way to get it.

We just aren’t going to pay more than we have to for most things when we’re holding, on average, $30,000 worth of student loan debt.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

For those of you interested in what Europeans would pay for a regular release, I did this comparison for Avengers: Infinity War. Price in local store is an estimate based on other releases like The last Jedi or Ragnarok. I haven't seen it on shelves yet. Even Dutch online stores as BOL.com, Media Markt or Plato do not carry it (online the price is usually € 19,99 - € 21,99 with free shipping).

The seconds spreadsheet calculates what would happen if I were to combine titles in one order. I usually combine five titles to stay under the extra tax-limit of €150. Usually there are a couple of double- or triple-disc titles, so shipping with SAE and LLL can go up fast.

All shipping in this spreadsheet is to the Netherlands. I even included the price if I would take te subway to a local store, although I would consider that negligible. wink





Explanation for tax:
• 19% for every non-EU order over €22 (excluding shipping and handling)
• 4,7% for every non-EU order over €150 (excluding shipping and handling)

For this comparison, I assumed the shipping party declared the bill value, not the material value. For that discussion, see here: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=126898&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=1&r=384#bottom

 
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