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 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   Richard May   (Member)

I received a parcel from VS today but had to pay import duties of £14.04. The value marked on the parcel was for 2 CDs at £12.65 each which was over the U.K. threshold. In fact, the 2 club CDs together cost only $15 since they were part of their sale. I’ve emailed VS to query this including photos of the customs declaration and the receipt for my import duty charge.

I was expecting an apology, hopefully even an offer for a credit for the mistake. But no, their view is that they declared the full value of the items. I’ve just emailed back to ask why they did that. The really frustrating part is that I can’t really see who it has benefitted for them to do that. After all, the US government couldn’t have challenged the use of the sale value since that was/is the current value.

It seems sad that VS has so little interest in helping it’s customers, even when it would have been 100% correct to do so. I really dislike people posting complaints about companies, but in this case I’ve given VS the opportunity to apologise privately but their response was dismissive and I’m left wondering what kind of company they are these days...

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Join the party: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=126694&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=3&r=163#bottom

It really is very unfortunate and I don't understand Varese's stance on this at all.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Welcome to the party pal.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Yeah... I don't understand why anyone bothers to order anything from Varese these days... they obviously don't care and this Naxos BS continues.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Richard May   (Member)

Join the party: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=126694&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=3&r=163#bottom

It reeally is very unfortunate and I don't understand Varese's stance on this at all.

Yes I remember reading that thread. In a sense, what’s especially frustrating about this case is not the level of the postage charges, or VS’s refusal to declare artificially low values on their custom declarations (which is understandable from a legal perspective). No in this case, VS could have perfectly legally declared the correct sale price and at absolutely no cost to them. But they chose not to do so and then when I query it, they don’t even apologise for my inconvenience. Nothing, Didly squad.

I’m pretty understanding about how these things work, but this is an example of how not to treat customers in my view. Thanks Varèse!

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

It seems not everyone was charged the full customs rate which begs the question which I posted in the earlier thread regarding the sale:

“So what is Varèse policy then? Seems like they are making it up as they go along. Talk about damaging your brand. Varèse really need to re-examine their contract with Naxos.”

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

What I don't understand people get charged but still go back for more smile if their that bad take your monies some where else, people won't cause its still a calculated deal.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

I haven’t ordered from Varèse in ages because of this. It’s just not worth the price tag. I could live with relatively expensive releases, nut dornding most of my money of tax and shipping, hardly Deens fair.

Globalisation my bum.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

U.S. Marshals - Complete!!!!

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

U.S. Marshals - Complete!!!!

Is that your suggestion for Varèse to rehabilitate their public image? wink

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

U.S. Marshals - Complete!!!!

Is that your suggestion for Varèse to rehabilitate their public image? wink

Yavar


Fitting, as there are a lot of nuggets and bullets in this thread, and Varese has been on a sinking plane for years.

Following Chen

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

I received a parcel from VS today but had to pay import duties of £14.04. The value marked on the parcel was for 2 CDs at £12.65 each which was over the U.K. threshold. In fact, the 2 club CDs together cost only $15 since they were part of their sale. I’ve emailed VS to query this including photos of the customs declaration and the receipt for my import duty charge.

I was expecting an apology, hopefully even an offer for a credit for the mistake. But no, their view is that they declared the full value of the items. I’ve just emailed back to ask why they did that. The really frustrating part is that I can’t really see who it has benefitted for them to do that. After all, the US government couldn’t have challenged the use of the sale value since that was/is the current value.

It seems sad that VS has so little interest in helping it’s customers, even when it would have been 100% correct to do so. I really dislike people posting complaints about companies, but in this case I’ve given VS the opportunity to apologise privately but their response was dismissive and I’m left wondering what kind of company they are these days...


I started an e-commerce business a few months ago and I have to say as an US citizen that I had a steep learning curve when it came to the UK postal and VAT system. At this time, the US postal and tax systems are so different as to make the UK system incomprehensible. (But with the trumpanzee in the Oval Office who knows what will happen in the future.)
I like to do everything 'by the book', pay my taxes and follow the rules. However, I've come to the conclusion that to do so is very unfair to UK customers. Now I'm willing to send everything as a gift with no value. I don't think I can get into a lot of trouble at my end or at least I'm willing to take that chance. The other option is to not ship to the UK. Anyway I have refunded these expenses to my UK customers.
I'm surprised that VS hasn't come up with a better policy.

What would you do?

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

In this thread: People who are happy to commit mail fraud.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   neelyre   (Member)

I have sold CDs on ebay for years, some were rare so the price was higher. Many folks overseas buy from me but bitch about the particular Import fees they incur in addition to the s&h. They blame me for not 'cutting them a break' on price, or not telling him what that import cost will be, or not declaring for less that full value. I tell them verbatim what another business I know of says on their website--

"Your government customs will charge you some sort of additional import fees or tax based on the declared value of this item. We have no way to calculate the amount. The import fee/tax they charge you does not go to us. It goes to your government. For insurance and legal purposes we must declare full value, so please do not ask us to declare a lower value than what you paid."

I haven't bought from Varese lately and am in the US so I'm not sure if they are declaring the full retail amount versus the sales price. If that is the case, then they are in the wrong for that, I believe.

But for those who are just upset about the huge import fees, I do sympathize. But your beef starts with the governments. It shouldn't necessarily be the seller's job to compensate.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

We pay taxes (to the government) only on the purchase price - in the OP's example, the sale price. The OP is asking why Varese couldnt have declared that purchase price rather than their retail price.
For private sales, I'm not sure what's appropriate. If you're selling something way over the retail price, does that really mean it's that valuable? And what if you're doing a trade - do you put zero dollars, or what you paid when you bought it?

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2018 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

It's the £8 "handling fee" that Royal Mail puts on that really sticks in my asshole.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2018 - 1:04 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It's the £8 "handling fee" that Royal Mail puts on that really sticks in my asshole.

Indeed. This used to be charged only if the package was opened for examination. Now it's slapped onto everything, just for the effort of taking it off a trolley!

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2018 - 3:48 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Actually, I'm not sure the price tag of a cd *should* be the same as the value of the shipped goods.

When your buying a cd, the value of materials shipped is a small part of the sum. Most of it is a lump sum which gives you acces to the music indefinitely. Copyright laws strictly describe that your not the *owner* of the music. You can't edit it and sample it in your work -- even playing it has it's restrictions.

You bought acces to music, not the music itself.

I could see how you 'd buy (listing rights to a) a released work, are granted acces to it through the web (streaming and / or download) and the cd is shipped to you with one dollar value on the box.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2018 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Actually, I'm not sure the price tag of a cd *should* be the same as the value of the shipped goods.

When your buying a cd, the value of materials shipped is a small part of the sum. Most of it is a lump sum which gives you acces to the music indefinitely. Copyright laws strictly describe that your not the *owner* of the music. You can't edit it and sample it in your work -- even playing it has it's restrictions.

You bought acces to music, not the music itself.

I could see how you 'd buy (listing rights to a) a released work, are granted acces to it through the web (streaming and / or download) and the cd is shipped to you with one dollar value on the box.


You buy a physical product. A compact disc with a retail value. That’s what counts so far as customs valuations are concerned. Music copyright and access to music is irrelevant.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2018 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   steve matthewman   (Member)

I would have loved many of the titles in the Varese sale but it just isnt worth ordering them to be shipped to the UK to be stung with Import/ customs fees.
I only order from Intrada & La La Land Records and if i cannot get from those two top sellers i go to Music Box records in France.

 
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