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 Posted:   May 16, 2018 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   PlayMorriconeForMe   (Member)

I remember hearing that Hitchock was so against a havinng a vocal pop-type "Love Theme" in VERTIGO that he fired the original composer, or changed studios, or refused a higher budget - anyone got any specifics to that effect?

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2018 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Well, there was this:

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2018 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

And who can forget this turkey, which sure as hell ain't no "Laura."

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2018 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Well, there was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhECyV_6xYM


Hilarious! Must have boosted martini sales among those forced to hear it in night clubs.

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2018 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

And who can forget this turkey, which sure as hell ain't no "Laura."



No, it ain't. But when the name Nat King Cole is attached, it ain't no turkey.

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2018 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

But when the name Nat King Cole is attached, it ain't no turkey.

A turkey is a turkey, no matter who they bribe or trick into singing it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2018 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I remember hearing that Hitchock was so against a havinng a vocal pop-type "Love Theme" in VERTIGO that he fired the original composer, or changed studios, or refused a higher budget - anyone got any specifics to that effect?

Um, no. None of what you write is in any way factual regarding Vertigo so you don't actually remember hearing it. He did not change studios (Vertigo was part of his Paramount contract), he did not fire the original composer as the composer was always Bernard Herrmann, there was no such thing about a tighter budget - I mean, really.

Perhaps you have Vertigo confused with Torn Curtain, where the studio did want a more pop-sounding score and so Herrmann was replaced with John Addison who most certainly did not deliver a pop-sounding score or a title song), nor did he change studios (it was Universal at that point), nor did it have anything to do with budget. I hope that clears up your confusion.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

The Billy Eckstine track is said to have been pitched either as the opening theme music for film, or for play in theatre lobbies between showings.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

But when the name Nat King Cole is attached, it ain't no turkey.

A turkey is a turkey, no matter who they bribe or trick into singing it.


A turkey in lesser hands, sure. But NKC elevates its poultry aspects in the manner of a JG writing a score that's worthier than the film.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

But when the name Nat King Cole is attached, it ain't no turkey.

A turkey is a turkey, no matter who they bribe or trick into singing it.


A turkey in lesser hands, sure. But NKC elevates its poultry aspects in the manner of a JG writing a score that's worthier than the film.


A more accurate analogy would be if Goldsmith conducted a score, not composed it. With two composers attributed to the single, it's unclear if Nat contributed to the music or lyrics except as a performer.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Hey that's a good one, LC. Keep it up and you can play James Wilson at our next 1776 revival (per excellent line delivery). big grin

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I remember hearing that Hitchock was so against a havinng a vocal pop-type "Love Theme" in VERTIGO that he fired the original composer, or changed studios, or refused a higher budget - anyone got any specifics to that effect?


Welcome, by the way. Interesting profile, thanks for sharing right from the off.

TG

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

A turkey in lesser hands, sure. But NKC elevates its poultry aspects in the manner of a JG writing a score that's worthier than the film.

Let's drop the turkey metaphor and use "dog food" instead.

Dog food is dog food, whether you serve it out of the can on a paper plate, or serve it sautéed on a bed of greens on a silver platter. If you want to listen to Marnie, fine, but I'm not wasting my time on it. Once was enough.

I realize that Mick and Keith said "The Singer, Not the Song," but I respectfully disagree with them on this point.

By the way, I LOVE the Billy Eckstine track!

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Why didn't you say so in the first place, that's a horse of a different color!

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Why didn't you say so in the first place, that's a horse of a different color!


We're switching animals too often.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

The Billy Eckstine track is said to have been pitched either as the opening theme music for film, or for play in theatre lobbies between showings.

I don't think that's correct. Back in those days there were tons of movie songs "inspired" by the film but that didn't actually appear in the film and that had nothing to do with the film or composer. Bacharach wrote many of these - Hot Spell, Warm and Tender, Liberty Valance.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I don't think that's correct. Back in those days there were tons of movie songs "inspired" by the film but that didn't actually appear in the film and that had nothing to do with the film or composer. Bacharach wrote many of these - Hot Spell, Warm and Tender, Liberty Valance.

Understood, just saying that this has been repeated through the years, so I didn't know if there was an element of truth to either variation.

 
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