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 Posted:   May 24, 2018 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Not thirded by me, alas. Krull takes home the gold. "Riding the Firemares," "Colwyn and Lyssa Love Theme" add "The Quest for the Glaive" are among Horner's very best work. Not to mention "The Widow's Web," "The Widow's Lullaby," "Battle on the Parapets," the main title...OMG, the entire damned score! There is just so much "Hornery Goodness" in Krull that steamrolls over Willow, which doesn't even come close to resonating with me on the same level.

    Both scores backed blatant Star Wars rip-offs, so they have that going for them. If you wanna know how Horner would have scored the Ewok Celebration at the end of Return of the Jedi, pop on "Willow the Sorcerer."

    Having said all that, I would LOVE an Willow expansion to re-evaluate the entire score. It was a fantastic piece of work, but Krull will always be near and dear to me.


    While Krull is a grandiose work in itself, I regard Willow as more of a journeyman's approach. I feel Willow's exploits and growth as the score advances (track order notwithstanding), whereas with Krull, Colwyn always seemed heroicly dependable in most of the cues. Horner told more of a story about the world of Andowyne (more than perceived in the film!) with slightly more motifs. At this point, it just becomes a camera finish of a competition rather than night and day. The guy knew how to host legends.

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     Posted:   May 25, 2018 - 2:06 AM   
     By:   Kylo Ren   (Member)

    No thanks! Leave this one in the past where it belongs.

    Great Horner score, okay LOTR knockoff. Leave it at that please.

     
     
     Posted:   May 25, 2018 - 6:32 PM   
     By:   alexp   (Member)

    Perhaps Disney would be better-off testing the waters on this unpopular property by investing the money on a Live-to-Projection concert featuring a live performance of James Horner’s music against the movie. Make sure that audiences in this millennium are interested in this.

    BTW: Sunday, May the 20th of this year marks the film’s 30 anniversary and all that we get is talk of a sequel. Great planning, Disney.

    P.S: If Disney wants to make me eat my words and have a Live-to-Projection concert ready before May 20th 2019, then I got the mustard, right here. wink

     
     Posted:   May 25, 2018 - 7:13 PM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    While I love the score for Willow and played it endlessly for years, I felt a bit beat up afterwards. It took bombast to new limits!

     
     
     Posted:   May 25, 2018 - 9:52 PM   
     By:   bobbengan   (Member)



    THIS folks, not Krull, was his magnum opus.

    Seconded.

    Not thirded by me, alas. Krull takes home the gold. "Riding the Firemares," "Colwyn and Lyssa Love Theme" add "The Quest for the Glaive" are among Horner's very best work. Not to mention "The Widow's Web," "The Widow's Lullaby," "Battle on the Parapets," the main title...OMG, the entire damned score! There is just so much "Hornery Goodness" in Krull that steamrolls over Willow, which doesn't even come close to resonating with me on the same level.

    Both scores backed blatant Star Wars rip-offs, so they have that going for them. If you wanna know how Horner would have scored the Ewok Celebration at the end of Return of the Jedi, pop on "Willow the Sorcerer."

    Having said all that, I would LOVE an Willow expansion to re-evaluate the entire score. It was a fantastic piece of work, but Krull will always be near and dear to me.



    I second this incredibly apt comment (and also un-third the former one!).

    KRULL is a towering compositional masterpiece. Strauss, Rozsa, whomever, could not have written a better score than this. The fact that Horner wrote something this complex, exhilarating, inspired and passionate at age *29* boggles the mind all the more. Holst interpolations aside (and a nod to the trumpet writing of Strauss' ALPINE SYMPHONY in "Quest for the Glave"), it's also one of his most substantially original creations, with amazing fanfares, that genius long-lined main theme (seriously... How many notes?!?!) and the single. Most. Rapturous. Love theme. Horner ever wrote. I love a lot of this guy's music... But KRULL is in a canon all its own.

    WILLOW is a good score that, in its finest moments, is hugely enjoyable and adventurous... But there's also tons of dull-as-dishwater moody shakuhachi ambience (boring as hell) and *every* single melody - The fanfare, Willow's string theme, even the little motif for his children at the end of the first cue... Is stolen from elsewhere. It's literally the most derivate score of his that I know of, and making matters worse, it began the annoying era of his recordings sounding so so so faint that in its quietest moment, you can't hear anything happening at all. Compared to KRULL's endlessly lush, vital-sounding and forceful mix, WILLOW sounds like it was recorded from the far end of a football stadium.

    I digress. WILLOW is a very fun score. But it doesn't even live in the same Universe as KRULL.

     
     Posted:   May 25, 2018 - 10:06 PM   
     By:   Zoragoth   (Member)



    I digress. WILLOW is a very fun score. But it doesn't even live in the same Universe as KRULL.


    Seconded. I'm not a huge Horner fan, but while WILLOW has some attractive elements and is, along with the cinematography and the presence of Joanne Whalley, undeniably one of the stronger features of that very lame film, I find the score as represented on CD wears out its welcome after a while, as opposed to KRULL which, while it can be exhausting, is much more enthralling.I'm not so sure about the Rozsa comparison, but I do like KRULL a lot.

    Funny how both are expensive, opulent, but extremely pedestrian fantasies, barely redeemed by Horner's hard-working scores! Sounds like many a Goldsmith case....

     
     Posted:   May 26, 2018 - 4:51 AM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • I second this incredibly apt comment (and also un-third the former one!).

    You can't "un-third" a comment! Why, that's... carry the two... multiply the cosign...

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     Posted:   May 26, 2018 - 5:11 AM   
     By:   Thor   (Member)

    Never cared much for KRULL, and don't understand what the big deal is. It's mostly lots of horror dissonance. WILLOW is in a whole other league altogether, IMO.

     
     Posted:   Nov 25, 2019 - 4:11 PM   
     By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

    I was looking up news on the sequel and found out a TV series in being developed (for Disney+, of course):
    https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a27338474/willow-tv-series-reboot-disney-ron-howard/


    No news on the film, that I found, other than it's still going ahead (well, at least as of June this year).

     
     Posted:   Nov 25, 2019 - 4:26 PM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    Not surprised. Disney needs original content for its streaming service in order to compete with the other streaming services. I still believe Mandalorian was a repurposed Boba Fett movie script. To my knowledge Lady and the Tramp was a theatrical film regulated to Disney + late in the game.

     
     Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 4:07 PM   
     By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

    And the Disney+ TV series is developing now:
    https://winteriscoming.net/2020/01/07/disney-plus-starts-work-willow-tv-show-jon-kasdan/

     
     Posted:   Jan 7, 2020 - 5:22 PM   
     By:   LeHah   (Member)

    WILLOW is a very fun score. But it doesn't even live in the same Universe as KRULL.

    You are incorrect, as I own both and in various forms.

     
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