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 Posted:   Mar 31, 2003 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Saw this earnest little film on TV last night for first time in a very long time. A wooden Robert Young playing a romantic lead (did they really think he was good looking????) and Dorothy McGuire, made up to look hideous, giving up moments of sporadic charm throughout the film which seems quite better because of a wonderful score -- a magnificent score, actually -- by Roy Webb.

John Morgan -- any Webb in our Marco Polo future?

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2003 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   Jim Lochner   (Member)

I believe a piano concerto was made from the music, which makes sense given the music at the beginning of the movie. However, my favorite part is the flashback scene where Mcguire sits down at the piano and plays the Chopin etude out of frustration. Very moving.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 1:51 AM   
 By:   Pavelek   (Member)

Jimny, I think the only score to be performed as a concerto during composer Webb's lifetime was adapted from THE SPIRAL STAIRCASE. My source for this info is Palmer's book on composers in Hollywood.

I have a recording of a live broadcast performed in the late 40s by the Hollywood Bowl for radio listeners. I have always preferred Webb's score for THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE. It's certainly one of his best.

I'd like to see it on a CD with THE LAST DAYS OF POMPEII.

NP: HOME FROM THE HILL (Kaper)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

"The Enchanted Cottage" is a beautiful film for those who believe in the power of love. Adapted from a 1920s stage play by Arthur Wing Pinero, it was made as a silent film in the 1920s. Since the 1945 version, which had an excellent script by DeWitt Bodeen, everyone has been trying to re-make it again, but thankfully, no one has yet, including Cher who had it under option. In the sixties, someone had the idea of casting Dorothy McGuire in the Mildred Natwick role, and Robert Young in the Herbert Marshall role, with new stars playing the roles they had previously played, but McGuire and Young decided against it in the end. They apparently felt that the concept of romantic love changing your outward appearance to perfect beauty for your partner was too far from reality and would not be accepted in the "warts-and-all" sixties. Who knows.

Anyway.....information on this Roy Webb "concerto" has been driving me nuts for two days now.....

In the 70s or 80s, John Steven Lasher put out an LP on his Entr'Acte label containing several filmmusic pieces. One of them was the Roy Webb "Enchanted Cottage" concerto which had been transferred from 4 sides (I think) of 78rpm acetates recorded in the 40s. (I don't recall whether these were soundtrack sessions or some sort of promo re-recording.) In any case, the quality was not great on this selection, but I was thrilled to have it anyway.

Well, I've still got it somewhere on my record shelves, but I can't find it!!

Does anyone recall this and remember the title of the LP or what else was on it. If you do I'll probably be able to quickly put my hands on it and give you details.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

There are a number of Webb scores I enjoy.

SINBAD THE SAILOR is wonderful.

And I love the music for I REMEMBER MAMA, a truly lovely score!

Turner frequently has shown both these films fairly recently.

Well worth it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Ohmigosh! You're right.

A quick sort in my collection database and I found I have this on Entr'Acte ERM-6002

The Jungle Book, narrated by Sabu is on Side 1
with The Paradine Case (Rhapsody for Piano & Orchestra), 11 minutes 25 seconds, and Enchanted Cottage (Concerto for Piano & Orchestra), 12 minutes.

John Steven Lasher and John Waxman produced the recording. All selections transferred from acetates.

I had totally forgotten about this recording!

big grin

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   Sir T.   (Member)

One Webb score I would love to see re-recorded is his impresssive work for "Stranger on Third Floor".

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

Exactly, Manderley; as you've discerned, THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE was just the SHALLOW HAL of its day.

(I have an original script from THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE around here somewhere...)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Exactly, Manderley; as you've discerned, THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE was just the SHALLOW HAL of its day.....

Perhaps.

But it's the difference between filet mignon and all-beef hotdogs!

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE is one of my very favorite films (I've put up with a splicier-than-usual 16mm print for years). I think Robert Young was a tremendously underrated actor. Sure, sometimes he was cast a bit out of his range but he was one of the best at leaking out his characters' psychoses. Which is not surprising given the tortured individual he was offscreen. As for Webb's score, it's yet another example of the unobtrusive, genuine mood pieces that he created for RKO. It was really a match made in heaven.

TRIVIA: Robert Young's brother Joe Young was the romantic lead in Our Gang's SHRIMP FOR A DAY. He later played character roles in films such as THE FULLER BRUSH MAN.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

I've only been on this board for half-a-year and it may be too long already!! We talk about scores so much I'm starting to dream about film music!!

Last night I had a dream about visiting a small town in the midwest. The town's city council was celebrating some local event and they had commissioned two Hollywood composers, Roy Webb and Max Steiner, to write compositions which would be played at this event which I attended.

Roy Webb's piece was very good, I thought. But Steiner had somehow discovered the actual time that his piece would be played (near noon), and had written it so that as the great bell in the town's belltower chimed 12 times, it was synchronized and integrated into the finale of the music he had written!! What a pro!!

Max, you sly old puss!!
(....as Bette Davis would say)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   Luscious Lazlo   (Member)

Memo to Manderley: Sort of a HIGH NOON kind of thing. (Dorothy McGuire & Gary Cooper were both in a movie called FRIENDLY PERSUASION.)

Please don't tell Howard L that I said this---but as much as I respect Dorothy McGuire as an actress, I don't care for her facial appearance. She had one of those bland & brittle super-cheekboned faces. The kind typified by Michelle Pfeiffer. Although, fortunately, Dorothy's face acquired a lot more character when she got older. (But what did she ever do to deserve Robert Young as a romantic interest? Not just in THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE, but also in CLAUDIA & DAVID.)


 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

TRIVIA: Robert Young's brother, Joe Young, was the romantic lead in 'Our Gang's' SHRIMP FOR A DAY..."

Joe Young is, of course, best remembered for starring opposite Terry Moore and having saved a little girl from the top floor of a burning orphanage...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2003 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

(But what did she ever do to deserve Robert Young as a romantic interest? Not just in THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE, but also in CLAUDIA & DAVID.)

Dorothy McGuire's first major credit was the lead in the original touring company of Thornton Wilder's classic play, OUR TOWN. This led to playing the title role in another Broadway play, CLAUDIA, about a sort of naive type of child-like, newly married woman. She then went on to star in the movie version for Fox, which, as I recall, has a mostly unmemorable score by, predictably enough, Alfred Newman. CLAUDIA AND DAVID was the sequel to CLAUDIA, presumably because CLAUDIA was enough of a success to merit one.

I've always liked Ms. McGuire's acting. Whether real or not, she projected a level of serenity in her characters. I thought she was well cast as Mary in George Stevens' GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. And I'd have loved to see her on Broadway, in the early 80's, as I recall, doing Hannah Jelkes in a stage revival of THE NIGHT OF THE IGUANA, the role Deborah Kerr played in the movie. I was in New York at the time, but somehow never got around to going. My loss.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2003 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

This is one of my favorite films. The performances by Herbert Marshall and, especially, Mildred Natwick really make it work; and the production design is practically a character in itself. Has anyone seen the version from 1924?

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Recordman   (Member)

Had occasion to see this again last night after many, many years (they used to play these 1940's films all the time on TV when I was growing up) and once again was enamored of Roy Webb's score. The film is now available on Warner Bros. "Archive Collection" DVD-R's made to order. The heartwarming story is of a love is blind situation and and one you won't forget. Highly recommended.
As an aside to Manderley, the opening scene of the first view of the cottage as an adjunct to the destroyed mansion reminds me so much of "Manderley" from "Rebecca".

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE is one of my very favorite films (I've put up with a splicier-than-usual 16mm print for years). I think Robert Young was a tremendously underrated actor. Sure, sometimes he was cast a bit out of his range but he was one of the best at leaking out his characters' psychoses. Which is not surprising given the tortured individual he was offscreen. As for Webb's score, it's yet another example of the unobtrusive, genuine mood pieces that he created for RKO. It was really a match made in heaven.

TRIVIA: Robert Young's brother Joe Young was the romantic lead in Our Gang's SHRIMP FOR A DAY. He later played character roles in films such as THE FULLER BRUSH MAN.


He also accidentally knocked out Larry Fine in a Three Stooges comedy short (whose title escapes me).

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

My mom (an Army nurse during and after WWII) told me that this film was shown to injured Veterans as a "morale booster".

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2014 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

looking for any existing Roy Webb music, and saw someone uploaded the acetate track (I assume) from the Entr'Acte ERM-6002 LP.
Several Webb score including this are stored at Syracuse University, and some possibly at UCLA.
http://library.syr.edu/digital/guides/p/palmer_c.htm

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2014 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

It's been written many times before but that's exactly the style of scoring no one cares for any more. No label is willing to lose money releasing "Enchanted Cottage" just for a couple hundred old-school soundtrack lovers. I'm one of them and that's the sad sad truth...

 
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