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 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Couldn't find a previous thread about film and score in the search engine, just a thread about the film which Henry posted on the non-film score side.

I really, really wanted to like this film, since I'm a big fan of Bayona, but alas I found it even more disappointing than JURASSIC WORLD. Just came back from an IMAX screening here in Norway. There are 4-5 good scenes, where the Bayona touch shines through -- whether his gothic horror-like style (A MONSTER CALLS, EL ORFANATO) a or his brilliant melodrama skills (LO IMPOSSIBLE). But beyond that, it's a messy affair with shallow, stereotypical characters. No ingenuity in the action tableaux, no awe & wonder.

It's not a bad film -- like WORLD, it stil works as a reasonable "creature feature" -- but it had so much more potential.

The score was -- predictably -- absolutely dreadful, and at least 75% responsible for my disappointment. Giacchino has two tricks -- either very simplistic, big chord leaps (rather than defined melody lines) or endless ostinati, and this is on display here yet again. The few references to Williams themes (fewer than in WORLD) were mostly hokey and unsophisticated in terms of how they appeared. I can only imagine how much more involved I'd been if Bayona had been allowed to bring along Velazquez for this film. frown

My suspicion is that Colin Trevorrow's damp hand has prevented this from being the visionary Bayona film it could have been. At least I want to blame Trevorrow. But in a way, it also says to me that perhaps Bayona is not an action auteur; he works better in other forms of cinema.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=6&forumID=1&threadID=118100&archive=0

use google search engine

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=6&forumID=1&threadID=118100&archive=0

use google search engine


I did, but I searched for FALLEN KINGDOM rather than '2'. Thanks! Feel free to 'merge', moderators!

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I could've told you the same without seeing the film. Actually this looks like more fun than the previous outing. I'm a sucker for exploding volcanoes.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

I quite agree with Thor here

I cant understand Bayona claiming Spielberg's LOST WORLD is a masterpiece in mise-en-scene for an action-adventure movie (it is!) and then delivering this serviceable but boring entry, with no set-piece to remember (the prologue... the shots seen in trailers...), copying JP2 storyline and characters (same way JW1 did with JP1, no surprises here) till the lame final scene and the epilogue (and the after-credits scene, which looks like a joke... but who knows!)

he also said references for the soundtrack were Herrmann's Harrryahusen films and Williams' DRACULA (there's a scene lifted from the Badham film), but Giacchino seems totally LOST (pun), with some useless short melodies for transitional moments, a couple of bongo cues a-la-LOST WORLD here and there, and even ruining a few nice moments of the movie with his over the top music

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I'm looking forward to this film, except for the third film I really like them all, but wonder why none of the sequels have matched the original?

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • I'm looking forward to this film, except for the third film I really like them all, but wonder why none of the sequels have matched the original?

    Park had something I haven't seen since in the sequels: a sense of wonder. But for the target demographic, that translates to "cringe cheese", and that hits stockholders in their murses.

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     Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 7:04 PM   
     By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

    What has the WORLD come to when we have to tell THOR to "use the search engine ". Damitt!

     
     Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 9:24 PM   
     By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

    I'm looking forward to this film, except for the third film I really like them all, but wonder why none of the sequels have matched the original?

    Because you can't be surprised by the same thing twice. All of these films have the exact same plot (in a general sense), and since the dinosaurs are by definition instinctual beings with no deeper thought, we just watch foolish people being taught over and over that you can't tame nature.

     
     Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 9:26 PM   
     By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

    ....."and.......loving it!"
    smile
    (unlike the ALIEN films)

     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 7:05 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)

    I'm looking forward to this film, except for the third film I really like them all, but wonder why none of the sequels have matched the original?

    The third film is the second best in the series!

     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 8:38 AM   
     By:   swoony   (Member)


    You can hear the track, "This Title Makes Me Jurassic” here:

    https://ew.com/movies/2018/06/07/jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-theme-michael-giacchino/

     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 8:57 AM   
     By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

    You can hear the track, "This Title Makes Me Jurassic” here:

    https://ew.com/movies/2018/06/07/jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-theme-michael-giacchino/


    Boy, Bernard Hermann and Stravinsky had a baby who wrote some very unsurprising film music.

     
     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 9:34 AM   
     By:   bobbengan   (Member)

    Boy, Bernard Hermann and Stravinsky had a baby who wrote some very unsurprising film music.

    Entertainment Weekly follows up his comment about that approach with this idiotic statement:

    "Let’s be honest — you probably don’t know what that classical musical reference means (neither do we)."

    Morons. It's 2018. Use Google.

    As for that cue itself - totally agree with you, Schiffy. Bland and dull music, unworthy (and in no ways evocative of) the two composers mentioned, never mind Williams' own work in this series.

    I hate to harp on Giacchino so much, because he seems like a genuinely good and humble guy. He's not totally without merit (I'll defend most of JOHN CARTER any day, the closest thing he's written to a truly great score). But what people hear in his music, by and large, just totally escapes me. His career has been one disappointing missed opportunity after another. His STAR TREK theme is the least inspired space-faring melody I've perhaps ever heard. His melodic sensibilities by and large are so clunky, the melodies awkward, obvious, trite or too limp to be remembered or noticed. Add to that fanboy-quality orchestrations and a total lack of harmonic creativity, and I'm really just left scratching my head as to why this guy keeps being handed amazing opportunity after amazing opportunity.

    When Williams was dealt that same hand, he really and truly MILKED the opportunity, each and every time, almost always without fail: A rare combination of formidable talent and copious opportunity to showcase that talent on a grand stage. Giacchino has been given the stage, but just doesn't have the chops.

    He reminds me of all these current crop of young film composers popping up who whorship Williams, Zimmer, Goldsmith, Silvestri, et al but don't know a damn thing about what came before them and who inspired THEM, never mind have any vested interest in crafting a unique voice devoid of references to their favorite film composers. Giacchino's entire career output has been hugely symptomatic of that trend toward employing "fanboy composers" versus inspired originals with unique voices and demonstrably unique techniques or compositional vocabularies.

     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 9:36 AM   
     By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

    I hate how the article is written. Why don't you trust your reader to know who Herrmann (spelled incorrectly in the article, naturally) and Stravinsky were? Or give them helpful parentheticals to note works they might be familiar with? No, they write "Let’s be honest — you probably don’t know what that classical musical reference means (neither do we)."

    Also, this music is not great. The mix seems better, even with this sub-96kbps stream.

     
     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 9:37 AM   
     By:   Rnelson   (Member)

    It doesn't generate much of a reaction from me. Just rhythmic noodling with a choir thrown in there speaking unintelligible nonsense just because.

     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 9:44 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)

    I hate how the article is written. Why don't you trust your reader to know who Herrmann (spelled incorrectly in the article, naturally) and Stravinsky were? Or give them helpful parentheticals to note works they might be familiar with? No, they write "Let’s be honest — you probably don’t know what that classical musical reference means (neither do we)."

    Also, this music is not great. The mix seems better, even with this sub-96kbps stream.


    Most entertainment news are fluff pieces, probably written by the studios themselves. These people just copy and paste with perhaps a little rewriting so it has a personal touch.

     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 9:46 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)

    You can hear the track, "This Title Makes Me Jurassic” here:

    https://ew.com/movies/2018/06/07/jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-theme-michael-giacchino/


    Boy, Bernard Hermann and Stravinsky had a baby who wrote some very unsurprising film music.


    You wrote that like it's your quote, but it's what Giacchino said. Minus the sarcasm.

     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 9:47 AM   
     By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

    You can hear the track, "This Title Makes Me Jurassic” here:

    https://ew.com/movies/2018/06/07/jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-theme-michael-giacchino/


    Boy, Bernard Hermann and Stravinsky had a baby who wrote some very unsurprising film music.


    You wrote that like it's your quote, but it's what Giacchino said. Minus the sarcasm.


    Not quite, buddy! Read all the words.

     
     Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 10:03 AM   
     By:   AlexCope   (Member)

    Maybe Herrmann and Stravinsky's kid should have gone into accounting instead.

     
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