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Nearly 30 years later and people are still debating this.
There’s no debate. It’s just an unfair charge that I believe prevented Elfman from being seriously considered for an Oscar for Batman back in early 1990. I believe the charge had its roots in another studio’s efforts to promote someone else in that category, though not necessarily the winner. Since then the Academy has never taken him seriously which is unusual because pop artists writing scores usually are treated more favorably, especially when they’re commercially successful as Elfman clearly has been.
Yes this is indeed curious. We've had Santaolalla and Reznor/Russ win Oscars and achieve a level of legitimacy that Elfman has apparently never enjoyed. I have a 1989 Keyboard magazine issue featuring a terrific interview with Elfman regarding Batman and it's still a great read now as much as it was in the day. While Superman by Williams will always be my favourite superhero score, Elfman's Batman is a close second. It's masterfully crafted. Sorry for the OT.
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I have a 1989 Keyboard magazine issue featuring a terrific interview with Elfman regarding Batman and it's still a great read now as much as it was in the day. While Superman by Williams will always be my favourite superhero score, Elfman's Batman is a close second. It's masterfully crafted. Sorry for the OT.
Indeed! Great Elfman interview at the time when his career was really taking off. I wish I still had that interview. Don't really care about those other bums you mentioned though 
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Indeed! Great Elfman interview at the time when his career was really taking off. I wish I still had that interview. Don't really care about those other bums you mentioned though
Me neither.
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In any case, it is far from unusual for a film composer to call on help when time -- or indeed expertise -- is limited.
Billy May arranged the big band cues in Cocoon because James Horner was not experienced in that kind of scoring.
A number of Jerry Fielding's scores were finished by Lennie Niehaus and Grieg McRitchie because Fielding was a slow writer.
One of Jerry Goldsmith's scores -- Morituri I believe -- has an unfinished cue, with a note that says "Fix it Arthur".
Fred Steiner of course provided several cues for Star trek: The Motion Picture.
Randy Newman provided at least one cue for Hook.
David Spear ghosted a couple cues in Bernstein's Heavy Metal.
Johnie Spence arranged all of Elizabeth Taylor in London because John Barry didn't have time (that score doesn't even sound like Barry!).
Ken Thorne scored around half of Murphy's War because Barry didn't have time.
Dana Kaproff scored around half of The Golden Seal because Barry didn't have time.
And these were scores by the top people in the profession, and they asked for help when necessary.
As far as Captain America, remember, this the first Marvel "tent pole" Toprak has scored, and she was probably unused to the astringent demands of micromanaging filmmakers and constant re-writes. Giacchino is a highly experienced composer who has dealt with those kinds of conditions for years.
It isn't at all far-fetched to suggest Giacchino may have re-scored portions of the film to suit the filmmakers' specifications (retaining Toprak's thematic material).
But after Marvel made such a big deal about hiring a woman composer, it would be bad PR were it made public that a man was enlisted to help complete the score.
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In any case, it is far from unusual for a film composer to call on help when time -- or indeed expertise -- is limited.
Billy May arranged the big band cues in Cocoon because James Horner was not experienced in that kind of scoring.
A number of Jerry Fielding's scores were finished by Lennie Niehaus and Grieg McRitchie because Fielding was a slow writer.
One of Jerry Goldsmith's scores -- Morituri I believe -- has an unfinished cue, with a note that says "Fix it Arthur".
Fred Steiner of course provided several cues for Star trek: The Motion Picture.
Randy Newman provided at least one cue for Hook.
David Spear ghosted a couple cues in Bernstein's Heavy Metal.
Johnie Spence arranged all of Elizabeth Taylor in London because John Barry didn't have time (that score doesn't even sound like Barry!).
Ken Thorne scored around half of Murphy's War because Barry didn't have time.
Dana Kaproff scored around half of The Golden Seal because Barry didn't have time.
And these were scores by the top people in the profession, and they asked for help when necessary.
As far as Captain America, remember, this the first Marvel "tent pole" Toprak has scored, and she was probably unused to the astringent demands of micromanaging filmmakers and constant re-writes. Giacchino is a highly experienced composer who has dealt with those kinds of conditions for years.
It isn't at all far-fetched to suggest Giacchino may have re-scored portions of the film to suit the filmmakers' specifications (retaining Toprak's thematic material).
But after Marvel made such a big deal about hiring a woman composer, it would be bad PR were it made public that a man was enlisted to help complete the score.
I know more but I won't. I don't follow scores inn the works process, but this story I've never heard so much talk flying around, it seems a cat tried too take some cream off this project.
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My experience.
On Tuesday, April 2nd 2019, I did my Captain Marvel Burn™ in order to break two of my personal theater going records. The showings were 11:00am, 1:15pm, 4:10pm and 7:15pm. These four viewings would bring my total viewing of Captain Marvel from 11 to 15. Keep in mind that I paid for each showing on the fly and not before just to make sure the timing was right. No pre-purchases. So when I get my tickets, I know what the seat assignments look like for each one.
11:00am was pretty empty, both in chairs and seat selection.
1:15pm, same story.
4:10pm was when people started to show up. Seats still looked occupied compared to the seat selection.
7:15pm was almost full in seat selections. And going into the theater to watch the movie, it looked just like the assignments.
Didn't feel like anything was off.
Hey Jeyl, is this you? https://www.cbr.com/fan-sees-captain-marvel-break-guinness-world-record/
If not, you have your work cut out for you!
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Pinar Toprak's Captain Marvel is overrated.
You'd think that Marvel's Captain Marvel would be. Redundant much?
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Hey Jeyl, is this you? https://www.cbr.com/fan-sees-captain-marvel-break-guinness-world-record/
If not, you have your work cut out for you!
Wow. That's pretty awesome! Really makes my efforts seem petite, doesn't it? I'll be happy just setting my own personal records.
Now, I don't want to take anything away this huge achievement, but you can clearly tell he's really only doing this to set a world record. I mean, you've seen the posts I've made here, right? If I was asked why I was setting records with Captain Marvel specifically, my answer would NOT be "I love super hero movies."
"Looking back on it now, I might almost consider a Disney movie because they're usually shorter and probably around for a while."
Do we tell him? Ok, I will. Captain Marvel IS a Disney movie! But if we have to be more specific, fine. The one Disney 'branded' movie that came out around the same time was Dumbo, a movie that was only 16 minutes shorter than this one. And based on performance, I think Captain Marvel will be around for a little while longer.
Gah, why am I ranting about this? Captain Marvel is involved in the Guinness Book of World Records!
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Sweet! I’m still catching up on Score: the podcast, but I am loving it so far and saw that she is the most recent interview. Can’t wait to hear!
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